Interview: Frank Nitt

Following the release of the new Frank N Dank album, St. Louis, we spoke to Detroit legend Frank Nitt about the new project, working with J Dilla, and more. Interview by Matt Horowitz.

In your opinion, what are the primary differences between the original/bootlegged 2003 MCA version of 48 Hrs/48 Hours and the widely-released 2013 Delicious Vinyl edition? 

The Delicious Vinyl version was the actual album as we intended. The 2003 version had extra songs and bad mixes.

Is it true J Dilla (then still known as Jay Dee) had to go back in and make more synth-driven beats, after MCA rejected the original sampled-based version of 48 Hours?

[laughs] No it was actually the opposite. We turned in the same version of the album that we put out via Delicious Vinyl, and the executive at the time said we love it but we need something more for the club and radio, and that is where “Take Ya Clothes Off” and “Off Ya Chest” came from. Unfortunately that executive left and went and signed Chingy to Capital, and the new exec, who was also the president, told Dilla he wanted more of his sampled driven beats because that’s what he knew him for. The original 48 Hours was recorded to more sample-driven beats but about seven songs in, Jay decided to strip all those beats and keep the vocals, and that’s where all the synth joints came from. Side note: he decided to change all the music after going to the studio while Dr. Dre was working on a D12 record in Detroit. After that he said “I’m about to play everything”. 48 Hours is the only sample-free J Dilla produced full album.

What’s the current status of your group, The Joint Chiefs, with DJ Rhettmatic? Do you fellas have any immediate plans to record and release a proper follow-up to your 2013 FWMJ/RIK EP, The Smoke Musik?

Ahh man, Rhett is my brother. Incredible dj/producer, better person! We have kicked around the idea of doing another joint., but Rhett is like a head of state, lol. He has a school, gigs, touring and still goes to lunch with his mom on sundays. It’s not easy to lock him down. If he reads this tho, I’m ready let’s gooooooo!

What’s one of your personal favorite J Dilla stories or moments from your time spent recording, hanging out, touring, etc. together that most people might not have ever heard about before?

One of the things that standout is a conversation we had one day sitting in his Lexus 450 outside the Nevada house. He told me “I wish I had a nigga like me when I was you”. At the time I didn’t get it, but later on, it’s like that old saying “Those who can’t do teach”. I had a teacher who was doing.. he not only showed me the game but showed me the pitfalls and traps in real time because he was still living it as he showed me.

How did yourself and Dankery Harv (AKA Dank, your partner in Frank-N-Dank) get involved in recording “McNasty Filth” from J Dilla & Madlib’s beloved album together as Jaylib, Champion Sounds?

At the time we were in the studio and hanging all the time anyway, so when he decided to do the LP and got a batch of beats from Madlib, we sat in the studio and went thru beats. We vibed to all of them but me and Dank didn’t vibe quite as hard to the “Mcnasty Filth” beat as we did to some of the others, and Dilla was like “ohhh y’all gotta write to this” [laughs]. He put the beat up and went upstairs for the night so we could record. I don’t think he thought we would be done by the a.m., but when he came back with the morning blunt we had our parts done. He actually put us out after that [laughs], because now he had to sit and write his parts.

What’s the current status of The F.D.R. Project featuring yourself, Dank, and Young RJ? Are there any plans for a proper follow-up to F.D.R. from Frank-N-Dank & J Dilla’s 2007 European Vacation CD+DVD set?

At this point we don’t have any plans to do anything new, but you never know.

Who did yourself and Dank recruit to submit production work for Frank-N-Dank’s latest effort, St. Louis

It started wwith King Michael Coy (Her, Dr. Dre, Anderson Paak). He did three joints, and we went to guys we worked with before like ToneMason, Lancecape and of course a Dilla joint (“Young Buck 1995”, made in 1995). And for that newness we went to Cazal Organism (son of Mellow Man Ace) and Japanese producer Mitsu The Beats, for that fire.

Do you ever see Frank-N-Dank’s J Dilla-produced stand-alone/non-album singles, such as “Move,” “Pause,” and “Push” ever being packaged together and re-released as a more full-length, widely-available project?

Maybe, but those are all on different labels. We would need a great level of cooperation to make that pop [laughs].

Have you spoken to Madlib since the release of your collaborative album, Madlib Medicine Show #9: Channel 85 Presents NITTYVILLE? Any chance of you guys reuniting for a follow-up? I would personally LOVE to hear you rhymin’ alongside Guilty Simpson again?

Madlib is my dude. We haven’t spoke about that but would I be down. Shit yea! And Guilty is a no brainer. I’m waiting on him to send me a joint for one of his projects now!

What was it like getting to work with more non-traditional Hip-Hop producers, such as DJ Sepalot for Fracture’s Outrageous EP and Dutch producers I.N.T. Kid Sublime, Wouda, Elsas, Y’skid & Kid Sundance on Frank-N-Dank’s The EP?

It was dope. I’m all for a little musical exploration., and all those guys have their own approach to making music and its fun for me to try to meld my style to theirs.

Who are the current artists signed to your imprint, Digipop’s roster and what’s your next planned label release?

We have Serious and my son Joz B (you can hear them on a few of my solo/group projects) – they both should be working as we speak. I gotta send em some beats though.

Aside from what we’ve already discussed thus far, do you have any additional high-profile collaborations, all-star team-ups, long-vaulted gems, etc. that have yet to be released unto the terribly unsuspecting masses?

We have a few things coming in 2020. And when I say we I mean the whole fam. I’ll be playing more of an executive role but bars a cometh as well as some new beats. Maybe a beat album. Stay tuned.

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St. Louis by Frank N Dank is out now. Follow Frank Nitt on Twitter and Instagram.

Matt Horowitz has been a hip-hop fan ever since he first heard Wu-Tang Clan’s Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) back in the mid-90’s, which positively or negatively changed his life ever since, depending on who you ask. He single-handedly runs online music publication The Witzard, and has been fortunate enough to interview Eothen ‘Egon’ Alapatt, Guilty Simpson, Ice-T and Mr. X, Dan Ubick, Career Crooks’ Zilla Rocca & Small Professor, Cut Chemist, and J-Zone, amongst countless others. He enjoys writing about and listening to hip-hop, Punk/Hardcore, and Indie Rock on vinyl with his lovely wife, while drinking craft beer, red wine, or iced coffee. To paraphrase both Darko The Super and the Beastie Boys: “Already Dead fans, they want more of this… I’m a Witzard like my man Matt Horowitz!”. Follow Matt here.

Classic Rap Demos

Words by John Morrison.

In the years since the emergence of the internet, the means by which music is produced, administered and distributed has been radically altered. Not only did the introduction of peer-to-peer file sharing, streaming and social media change the way music found its way to listeners, these new technologies have also changed the way artists would gain the attention of labels.

Today, aspiring artists have the tools to connect with listeners and build their own autonomous fan bases, with or without major record labels. Years ago, this was not the case. During the Golden Era of Rap, a relationship with a major label was almost mandatory if a budding artist wanted to secure consistent radio play and make an impression on millions of potential fans. For many artists, recording and shopping a demo tape was the first step toward securing that relationship.

Whether recorded in professional studios or in grandma’s basement, on Tascam 4tracks, ancient reel-to-reels or Ampex DATs, a tight demo tape was often times the key to an artist getting on and being heard. Mostly unheard in their own era, a wealth of homemade demos from future rap greats have now found a home on YouTube. John Morrison breaks down a few of the best and most significant.

1. Biggie Smalls – Unsigned Hype Demo: Recorded in the basement of his friend DJ Hitman 50 Grand, future GOAT Christopher Wallace’s first demo tape is a brilliant look at a rough but gifted young MC. Biggie shows off his trademark polysyllabic flow while 50 Grand cuts up classics like The Emotions’ “Blind Alley” break. The tape was so good, it won a feature in The Source Magazine’s coveted Unsigned Hype in March 1992.

2. Organized Konfusion Demo: When Queens New York duo Organized Konfusion first arrived on the scene under the name Simply II Positive MCs, it was clear that Prince Po and Pharoahe Monch were already standing at the vanguard of the science of rhyming. Forward-thinking and fully developed, a few songs on this demo made it to O.K’s mind-bending eponymous debut album. “Prisoners Of War” is a stark, dramatic barrage of words delivered at rapid fire clip, while “Mind Over Matter” is intense, funky and avant-garde.

3. S.B.I. (Timbaland & Pharrell Demo): A true gem of a demo that’s been floating around for the past few years, S.B.I. (Surrounded By Idiots) is the teenage rap crew made up of future super-producers Pharrell Williams, Timbaland and his partner in rhyme, Magoo. Colorful, creative and full of soulful, jazzy samples, the S.B.I. demo tape is deeply indebted to the lighthearted Black Bohemia that A Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul was mining during this era. Despite being noticeably derivative of the Native Tongues aesthetic, the S.B.I. demo is full of some refreshingly forward-thinking moments. “Skull Caps & Stripe Shirts” is a fun, uptempo “Human Nature” flip, while the quirky, skating vocal sample and dramatic piano stabs of “Uh Uh Uh”  are like looking into a magic 8-ball that reveals the production steez that Timbaland would use to completely transform the musical landscape in the not-so distant future.

4. DJ Quik – Red Tape/Underground Tape: While there is some discrepancy around the true-title of this tape unloaded by the Underground Dope YouTube page in 2015, this cassette demo of Los Angeles legend DJ Quik is one of the best of its kind available. Expertly produced and featuring young Quik’s x-rated lyrics and high-pitched delivery, this demo contains many West Coast classics like “Underground Terror” and “Born And Raised In Compton.”

5. Nas – Pre-illmatic Demo: By the time his landmark debut Illmatic was released, Nas had already made noise with show-stealing appearances on “Live At The Barbeque”, “Back To The Grill Again” and pre-Illmatic singles like “Halftime”. Before his debut would change the course of rap music, the young Queensbridge MC found himself in the studio crafting demos that showcase Nas as a gifted, blossoming wordsmith. In recent years, a treasure chest of Nas’ pre-illmatic demos have been archived on YouTube. The best of these demos include a rough and dreamy demo version of “It Ain’t Hard To Tell” entitled “Nas Will Prevail”.

Bonus Beats:

1. Jay-Z – Pre-Reasonable Doubt Demo

2. Wu-Tang Clan Demo Tape 1992

3. Juggaknots – Baby Pictures 1989-1993

4. T.I. – T.I.P. Demo

5. Artifacts – 4Track Demo

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John Morrison is a Philadelphia based DJ, producer, and music journalist (Red Bull Music Academy, Jazz Right Now, Bandcamp Daily etc.) His debut instrumental Hip Hop album Southwest Psychedelphia is a psychedelic trip through a day in the life in his Southwest Philadelphia neighborhood, and available now on Deadverse Recordings. Follow John on Twitter and Instagram.

25 Years of Fat Beats: Behind the Scenes

In the final part of our series celebrating 25 years of Fat Beats, we take a look behind the scenes by talking with some of the key figures in the business about how the company has evolved as a chain of physical stores, online, and as a distribution arm that has proven to be a vital outlet for independent hip-hop. Read below, and if you missed them, read our other Fat Beats anniversary articles here: DJ Eclipse interview, Ill Bill, Q-Unique and J57 interview.

Joseph “DJ Jab” Abajian: Fat Beats Owner/Founder

Firstly, congratulations on 25 years! Could you ever have imagined a quarter of a century ago that what you created would endure for so long and have such an impact on hip-hop?

Thank you. When I first opened I didn’t know what to expect but after the first six months I felt I had something special and was planning on major expansions. It all started in 1996 and we were on our way to blow up until I had a life changing experience in 2001 and had a change of course in life. I know we had and continue to have a big impact in the music industry and the Hip-Hop culture. I attest today’s independent rap music scene to a lot of work Fat Beats Distribution has done. We’ve paved the way for artist to do different types of deals for their art/product and showed a whole industry of independent artist how to be independent.

It felt like Fat Beats was always destined to be more than just a record shop. Was the New York store becoming a cultural hub for Hip-Hop something you envisioned from the start and therefore nurtured, or did it happen more organically?

The store becoming a Hip-Hop hub happened organically and was planned but not on purpose. My initial plan was to open a store for deejay’s, graph writers, B-boys and emcees. The logo and motto, “The Last Stop for Hip Hop” was specifically designed for the Hip-Hop nation. But, the first location in the East village attracted everyone that would go to the village which included every other alternative type of lifestyle to your everyday average 9 to 5 worker. In 1994 the commercial world started hearing about Hip-Hop a whole lot more than prior years but there was still a lot of fear of the culture from non-participants. Fat Beats was a place where these people can come and experience Hip-Hop without actually being part of the culture or doing any of the elements.

Last year saw Fat Beats return to physical retail with the reopening of a store in L.A. It’s an incredible achievement considering the fate of most record shops. What was behind the decision to take a dive back into having an actual store?

Initially we were planning on opening a small office in L.A., because we felt we were losing out on meetings and deals because a lot of people didn’t want to take the drive to Canoga Park where our office is due to LA traffic. One of my former employees who ran the website wanted to come back and open a Fat Beats boutique. We thought this would work with the idea of an LA office. Since Fat Beats Dot Com had it’s own space we figured it would make sense to put that operation in the new store location because I wasn’t convinced that there would be enough foot traffic to cover the expenses of a retail operation. Plus most of the employees do not live in the valley and have to deal with the excess traffic in LA. This is another location they can work out off. So far it has paid off. Our online business saw an increase, we got some foot traffic and have been able to throw events again and we’ve had dozen’s of meeting there.

If you had to pick your absolute best moment from the last 25 years, what would that be?

I’d have to say the closing of the initial retails stores in NY & LA. We had week long celebrations and so many artist and fans came through during that week. It was like seeing every artist we impacted come back to pay homage and it was cool hearing what they had to say about Fat Beats and how they felt from artist and fans. It took a huge weight off my shoulder and allowed me to concentrate on what was actually making money in the company. The distribution center and website took off after the stores closed and we made big moves moving out west.

Bert Haine: E-Commerce & Retail Manager

Fat Beats moving from a bricks and mortar operation to a mostly online one a few years back was inevitable considering how much the industry has changed since the first store opened 25 years ago. Tell me how the company went about building an online presence.


When our stores closed, we doubled down on our online efforts as we knew that would be the central way we could still directly interact with our customers. From there we took advantage of our already well-known brand and artist connections and utilized our position as a vinyl distributor to develop direct exclusives and other limited-edition releases and grow our following and online business.


We’ve talked in our other recent Fat Beats interviews about how the physical stores had an aesthetic quality that went beyond the music. How do you capture a sense of that in an online store? Obviously, you want a website that’s professional and works well, but at the same time you still need something authentically hip-hop, right?

To a certain extent we still try to keep things authentically Hip-Hop, obviously with respect to many of the releases and in-stores we focus on, but overall we keep our goals the same as any other business that cares about its customers; we constantly aim to improve user experience, keep our customers educated to all the new music available and strive to offer the best possible human customer service, which I think makes us stand out from other big box chains and web-stores like Amazon etc.

We sell a wide variety of records in our store and our website now that, ten years ago, would be pretty unexpected from a business like Fat Beats, but trends have changed and streaming has broadened musical tastes dramatically and our aim now is simply to offer great music on physical format, namely vinyl, with of course a deep understanding, love and focus on Hip-Hop.

The “vinyl resurgence” has been driven a lot by re-issue packages of classic records and limited edition runs of new music, which sell well as collector’s items. Presumably these are the types of products that bring in the most revenue these days? 


Definitely, catalog releases and new exclusive limited edition runs of records drive much of the revenue but, whenever there is a hotly anticipated record, an LP like Freddie Gibbs & Madlib’s Bandana, or the first instrumental solo work by Daringer (Griselda Records’ go-to producer) we’ll do really well as has always been the case. On the whole there has just been a broadening of the base of people that consistently buy and listen to records over the last ten years, which has helped us gain back some of the ground we lost after DJs stopped really needing to buy records due to all of the controller/interface innovations.


What records are some of Fat Beats absolute top-sellers online since the e-commerce site opened?

I don’t have data over the lifetime of the business to know what have been some of our best sellers since we opened for business online way back in 2001, but I know when records like Madvillainy and Donuts dropped we were selling thousands of copies from the online store. But as of the last decade a few that have really sold above and beyond expectations have been; Kendrick Lamar’s To Pimp A Butterfly, Rev Shines & Conway’s recent exclusive 12”, JPEGMAFIA’s Veteran, and Blu & Exile’s classic, Below The Heavens.

Joe Dent: General Manager at Fat Beats Distribution

Outside of the physical stores and online retail, Fat Beats’ distribution arm has been hugely influential to the hip-hop scene over the last couple of decades. Tell me about how the service has evolved over the years.

Oddly enough, distribution is the largest division of our business and may be the one that is the least known to the average Fat Beats customer. Over the last decade we’ve seen major changes in the industry at large (the vinyl “resurgence” you often hear about) but as a company that has catered to the vinyl consumer since day one, we’ve strived to remain a go-to distribution option as more and more competitors have realized the viability of the format. In that sense, our evolution is ongoing.

By moving our headquarters from New York to Los Angeles five years ago, we’ve positioned ourselves in a great location not only by working with some of our favorite artists on a more face to face basis, but also within the vinyl manufacturing community in having several major pressing plants within 30 miles of our facility (right next door, in the case of Rainbo Records). Above all else, our goal is to be an extremely artist-friendly business in an industry that too often isn’t.

Of the many records Fat Beats has distributed, which are some of the ones you are especially proud of?

For me personally, the projects I recall most vividly are due to the people that were involved and the packaging or timeline challenges that may have been overcome in bringing them to life. That includes not only the artists or labels behind the releases themselves, but the pressing plants and printers as well.

Blu & Exile’s Give Me My Flowers While I Can Still Smell Them, the box set reissue of Black Moon’s Enta Da Stage, and most recently Masta Ace & Marco Polo’s A Breukelen Story are some of my favorites.


You offer pretty much a full service to get an artist’s music created, marketed and available. That said, has the relative ease at which anyone can now get their records/tapes/cds manufactured and then self-distributed via their own site, or Bandcamp, made distribution less of a viable business?


Generally speaking, it hasn’t. But the distribution model is not a one size fits all approach and there are plenty of artists who are successfully selling exclusive releases in their own webstores and are satisfied with that. As a company born out of brick and mortar retail, we still wholeheartedly believe in the value of the independent record store on a worldwide basis in addition to various exclusive projects. And because in many cases we are absorbing the roles of a traditional record label, manager, designer, and PR team in additional to simply packing and shipping, we feel our value will always be there if we are willing to adapt to an artist’s specific needs.


Speaking of Bandcamp, a couple of months ago they started offering manufacture and fulfillment to artists. Is this something you see Fat Beats moving into?



Pressing, wholesale distribution and D2C fulfillment are among the core services we currently offer to our partners. But because we are a true independent distributor, we are focused on offering personalized attention to our growing artist and label roster rather than an open-door crowd funded service. But we’ll always have our ear to the ground as times change.

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Follow Fat Beats on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Interview by Grown Up Rap Editor Ben Pedroche.

Interview: Brother Ali

Few musicians are as wise, spiritual and deep-thinking as Brother Ali, which certainly makes him somewhat of a rarity in the world of hip-hop. The Rhymesayers Entertainment artist recently took time out from his European tour to speak to Gingerslim.

It’s coming up to a couple of years since you released your last album and we got that single last year; is there a new project looming?

There is…

*line goes dead then reconnects*

Sorry I lost you then, man.

Okay, are we back?

Yeah I think so, all I heard you say was “There is”, then the line went dead

Oh well maybe that’s for the best [laughs]. But yeah I started working on a new project and it’s very different from the last project – the way I’m writing it is different, the production is different, really the whole approach is different and so I’m excited about it. I’m not really wanting to say too much right now cos it’s still taking shape, but I hope to have it out by the end of this year.

That’s good to hear, man. Now, you’ve been quite vocal in previous interviews about some of the problems you’ve faced as an American Muslim; I was wondering how noticeable the impact of Trump’s presidency has been from that perspective?

For me personally it hasn’t really changed anything. The security people at the airport always gave me trouble and they still do sometimes, so that hasn’t really changed. I think the differences are for my wife, my daughters and for the community that I’m a part of. You know my ancestry is European and I’m an albino, but I was raised in African American and black culture, so sometimes people are unsure of my racial makeup, but for the most part if I have problems it’s because of the work that I do.

But for black and brown people, and those who small-minded people think look like Muslims, it’s dangerous. I mean not only from the authorities but from regular people who are from the dominant group, you know they’re poor, they’ve been financially oppressed, they’ve been used, but they’ve always been told “oh but you’re white and this is your country”, so pride in America is really pride in their group.

But now they’re losing that hope of whiteness and being an American, so when they say make America great again, what they mean is make white people great again. And then they see black people being proud as a direct threat to them, and also Muslims, you know anyone not completely bowing to them is a direct threat to what they want their life to be about. So it’s really difficult and because the president now is one of them, they feel completely confident acting really horribly – really bad character, really bad manners, being really violent. There’s a video that’s on Facebook of this grown man in a parking lot and he’s just screaming in the face of this black woman who’s pregnant. It’s really bizarre how empowered people are feeling now to be horrible cos they think they’re fighting for their country when they do that.

And how powerful a role do you see music playing in the act of resistance?

Honestly I’m not that impressed with it. I love hip hop music, I feel like I’m a part of the culture, but me being an underground artist who is a little bit of an outsider in certain ways, I’ve always looked at the landscape and wondered what’s the next thing? What should we be doing next and what are we not thinking about? What should we be focusing on? So when I came out in the early 2000’s, the popular narrative at that time was about triumph over adversity, so Jay-Z was leading it and 50 Cent, people like that – I came from nothing and now I’m cool and I’m rich and powerful – and that’s great, that’s a great story cos it’s true and it gives people hope, so I appreciate that.

So I was never against that, I’ve always okay, but what are they not saying? And so I made music about being vulnerable and then in the late 2000’s, I would say 2010, I put an album out and at that time people were celebrating extravagance and being really successful and rich, that was like the Rick Ross time, Watch the Throne, that type of thing. Kanye and Jay-Z were talking about black capitalism and black consumerism as a way out. So then I came out and said look most of us are poor, let’s just start from there. Were not living extravagantly, we’re actually going to tell the truth and we don’t just want to beat the capitalists at their own game. Not that I’m a communist but I’m saying hyper-capitalism, hyper-consumerism, that’s not a win for me – for us to be able to buy more than other people can buy and then say that that’s freedom.

But you’re still stepping on people and people are still suffering, so that you can have more; that goes against the grain. And now that Trump is the president, so many of the artists are now talking about prisons and all this stuff, but to me it just feels really anaemic, man. It’s not powerful to me, most of what’s being talked about. I mean Lowkey has always been talking about this, Akala has always been talking about this, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, you know you have artists who have always been speaking on this stuff. And I like hearing Jay-Z talk about it, I’m a big Jay-Z fan, but I just don’t think it’s really impacting the people.

So what do you think they could be doing, could they be doing more? Do you think it needs an alternative voice?

I don’t spend any time thinking about what I wish other people would do differently, but I really do like a lot of the emerging voices and so that’s really cool. But in terms of all the public political thinkers in America, I probably align most with Dr Cornel West. He’s a Christian and I’m a Muslim, but his idea of justice comes from a loyalty to being moral and there’s a spiritual dimension to being a moral person because the unseen virtues have to be more important to you than anything worldly, including power. So if it’s a pure Marxist idea about power, that basically starts with the same epistemology, the same metaphysics as secular capitalists, that basically say the world is all goods and resources and power to control those goods and resources, that’s what life is. So then we just fight over how to get power over those goods and resources, and that’s what winning is. I’m sorry, but I can’t with that. To me the unseen world of virtue is more important, to me virtue is more important than power. They’re both valid ways of looking at things, but that’s what I believe in. So that’s why when everyone’s making this political music that I already did, now I’m focusing on spirituality, which is not instead of or in lieu of, it’s not a bypass for the political and social reality, but it’s like how am I going to become the type of person that will deny myself material things because it’s the right thing to do.

It’s going to take something spiritual to do that and you’ve got to have the type of heart that can put virtue and other people before yourself. The modern conversation around power and revolutionary power, is not talking about that. Even modern spirituality, kinda like internet spirituality, it’s not about breaking the ego and that’s what real spirituality is about in all the traditions – in Hinduism, in Buddhism, that’s in authentic Christianity, authentic Judaism, indigenous peoples’ religion. It’s like look the human condition is we have beautiful hearts but we have ego. Ego will always command us to take from other people and to oppress other people, the ego is always going to want more, so we have to discipline the ego. But most modern spirituality doesn’t do that and so basically without doing that outer work, or the inner work to get your heart right, if the oppressed people got power now they would just become the new oppressors. And to me that’s not a victory, to most people that’s not a victory, but what’s the road map to be able to live with dignity in a way that is also virtuous? Virtue requires us to deny ourselves things that our ego demands. Like I should be able to have sex with whoever I want, why can’t I just grab a woman and have sex with her? Because that’s rape! Well okay then I have to tell my ego that this woman’s right to freedom of choice and freedom over her body, is more important than my desire, but I’m going to have to discipline my ego to get to that point.

And it’s the same with what’s wrong with consuming gold, if I want gold and it looks good on me? Well then you say what’s gold doing to South Africa, what are diamonds doing to West Africa? So if I had the money to buy gold and it looks good on me and people seem to think it looks good on me, there’s something spiritual that’s going to make me think that those people I’ve never met are more important than how good it feels for me to wear gold. So to me, that’s what my focus is and I can’t say what other people should do, but I listen to my heart and that’s what I believe.

That’s a really good perspective to have though. Now you’ve said before that each of your albums has been the result of the pain, growth and eventual healing that you’ve experienced, and to me your last album sounded like your most joyous one to date, so I was wondering if you feel fully healed now from whatever you went through before?

No, I think it’s always a process and I think that’s one of the things about real, genuine spirituality is that we know it is a never-ending process. But I will say when we’re early on that path, sometimes the narrative that spiritually immature people have is that they were once lost and now they’re found, or they used to damned and now they’re saved, but it doesn’t work like that [laughs]. Once you start going on the path it’s just like anything else, like now does Venus Williams think she’s the greatest she can ever be? No because she’s always going to be working on it until she can’t anymore and it’s the same with anybody who is really dedicated to something. Once you solve one problem, you just move up in problems and you realise there’s a much more nuanced problem that you couldn’t even know about because you weren’t wise enough to see it.

So do you feel like that sort of complacency is a problem elsewhere? Because that’s how I see it in music, I see some people who feel like  they’ve achieved everything they can so they get complacent and then their art suffers as a result.

It can be a really traumatic experience to create without fear cos the reality is there is fear. So you do something that is really creative, you pour your heart into it and then people might just ignore it, or they might hate it. And I mean hating it is better than ignoring it honestly, but I know I’ve been through that and then it’s like why did I do all that? I kinda died internally to make this album and now it’s just another one with all the 50 million albums that came out and so I think at a certain point some people are like I’m not going to plunge the depths of my soul again if it’s not going to be received.

So people who have done that in the past, or they’re no longer in the spotlight, it’s really hard work doing that and so the average person isn’t going to keep doing it. I believe that’s a spiritual practice too, even if people don’t think that they’re religious. Like you listen to someone like James Baldwin talk about what it really means to create from a true place – it’s a death. So I think with musicians, maybe they did that once or twice and everyone celebrates them for it, but it’s hard to keep doing it. You know you can make a living off the spiritual war you fought 20 years ago and so you could just keep touring that album, people still like it so you can make a living doing that and honestly I feel like a lot of those people go to Europe, but it’s not fair to Europe and the UK because the artists from over there can’t do that. They gotta keep creating cos they’re basically being ignored on the global stage. How come everybody all over the world doesn’t know Akala, or doesn’t know Lowkey? Everybody should. There’s a million of these artists and I probably don’t even know most of them, but I really think it’s unfair because European people know what real music is. So I think it’s unfair that a lot of old skool hip hop artists just keep going over there and doing the same old songs over and over again. I mean I’m glad they’re making money, people seem to like it, that’s cool but it’s like they’re still living, they’re still learning, they’re still being a human being, what’s going on? We want to hear that, we want to hear what it feels like to be 55 year old and trying to figure out how long you can keep rapping.

Now speaking about Europe, you’re about to touch down over here for your tour. Do you feel any sort of different connection with the fans here, compared to those back home?

I don’t think that they’re different, but when we go round Europe and the UK, or around the world in general, there’s an understanding that our experiences aren’t identical and so like the interviews I do with journalists over there are always the best. Because they’re thinking I don’t really know what this person is about so let me really pay attention and listen to them, where as in the US there is this familiarity that I think can make us a little complacent and can make use feel like yeah I know what you’re about, we’re part of the same group and you’re probably saying the same things that someone else is saying, so it’s just a different level of attention. And artists are driven by a few different motivations, so some of them want control, control of their life and environment, they want to be able to do what they want to do, not what someone else is making them do. Some artists want power and that’s different cos power is the ability to be able to control other people.

Some artists, and it’s true with people too not just artists, some of them just want fame, they just want to be known. It doesn’t matter what they’re known for, it doesn’t matter if it’s true to them or not, they just want a lot of people to know who they are. For me – and again none of these are necessarily good or bad, it’s about what you do with them – fame is the one I respect the least. For me it’s about connecting and it’s about being understood, like I want to genuinely communicate and exchange with people. I want to listen and be listened to, so going to Europe there are smaller crowds than anywhere in the States and I don’t make much money, so the main reason for me wanting to go is because I know that people are listening! [laughs] You know what I mean? And ultimately I’m going to care more about that than making money.

So you’ve got the tour and then you’re working on the album; is there anything else on the horizon?

So my wife and I teach Islamic spirituality at home in Minneapolis, we have a weekly gathering that we do. I basically split my time between writing, recording and performing music on the one hand, then studying and teaching the spiritual path on the other and I’m really fortunate that we live a really simple life. Slug gave me really good advice when I bought my house, he said buy a house that you can afford to keep up even in a slow year, so you’re never a slave to your living expenses. So my family and I live in a small, simple house and I make enough off music so I can do the spirituality thing half the time and I don’t have to worry about getting paid to do that. I don’t have to try get donations or something like that, not at this stage and so it’s a really good life, man. I’m really happy.

Yeah that sounds very fulfilling, man. Well I know we’re running out of time so I’m going to leave it there, but it’s a pleasure to talk to you.

It’s a real pleasure to talk to you too, man.

I’ll be at the Bristol show next week, so maybe I’ll see you then.

Yeah that’d be great, I’d love to say hello to you in person.

Okay, man, well take care.

Thank you, brother, peace.

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Brother Ali is on tour across Europe until the end of March. Follow him on Twitter and Instagram.

Gingerslim has been a hip-hop fan since 1994 and has written for various blogs and websites since around 2006. During that time he has contributed to style43, Think Zebra, Headsknow and Front Magazine. His main interests in rap are UK hip-hop and the underground movement in America, with a focus on Rhymesayers Entertainment and the once mighty Def Jux label. He lives in Bristol and has a beard. All other details are sketchy at best. Follow him here

Key Kool & Rhettmatic’s ‘Kozmonautz’: An Oral History

Words by John Morrison.

Originally released on August 22, 1995 on the small independent start-up Up Above Records, Key Kool and Rhettmatic’s debut album Kozmonautz is a snapshot of Los Angeles’ historically rich and diverse underground Hip Hop scene. Two southern California kids, Kikuo Nishi (Key) and Nazereth Nirza (Rhettmatic) were among the first generation of L.A. youth to be impacted by the birth of hip-hop.

Hip-hop, and the socio-cultural explosion it set off, stretched out across the country from its flashpoint in the Bronx. This wave of influence shaped the lives of countless young people who were eager to participate through the arts of b-boying, graf writing, MCing and DJing.

Spurred on by the founding of KDAY (the country’s first 24 hour hip-hop radio station), the movement created by the Uncle Jamm’s Army DJ/Party promotion crew and countless other cultural, social and political variables, the hip-hop scene in Los Angeles flourished.

After honing his skills as an MC and DJ, Nishi joined Ice-T’s Rhyme Syndicate crew, which included members such as Divine Styler and future House of Pain star Everlast. During this time, Rhettmatic was rocking parties at L.A. clubs like Unity. A series of chance meetings through mutual friends would bring them together as a group and lay the foundations for their crew, underground hip-hop mainstays, The Visionaries.

Although it touched a select few underground hip-hop heads when it was initially released, more than twenty years after the fact, Kozmonautz has aged beautifully. The album retains a special place alongside unheralded West Coast underground gems like Ras Kass’ Soul On Ice, The B.U.M.S. Lyfe N’ Tyme and Mannish’s Audio Sedative. From tracks like “Can U Hear It?” to the classic posse cut “E=MC5”, with dope beats from Rhettmatic, Vooodu, Ras Kass and Miko.

The album’s heaviest emotional moment comes in the form of the track “Reconcentration” where Nishi retells the harrowing true story of how the U.S. government relocated and locked up over 100,000 Japanese Americans in military-designated internment camps situated along the West Coast during World War 2.

The story of how this album was made is as varied as the story of West Coast hip-hop itself with all its diversity and DIY spirit. From Nishi’s youth spent buying music at the legendary Roadium Swap Meet to Nirza’s involvement in the Filipino American Mobile DJ Scene of the 80s  this piece is made up of the shared recollections of the people involved.

The story of Kozmonautz is not only the story of a group of talented young people being creative on their own terms, it is also gives a sense of what hip-hop means to the city of Los Angeles.

Key Kool:  MC, DJ and Father. Key Kool is the MCing half of the Kozmonautz duo.

Rhettmatic: Turntable Virtuoso and co-founder of the World Famous Beat Junkies DJ Crew.

Dannu: Member of the Visionaries crew. Appears on the Kozmonautz posse cut “Visionaries (Stop Actin’ Scary)”. Also handed Key & Rhett’s cassette tape to Janet Jackson at the Kozmonautz release party at Club Roxbury. According to Key “She was randomly there”.

Lord Zen: Also a member of The Visionaries. Appears on “Visionaries (Stop Actin’ Scary)”.

Ras Kass: The waterproof MC. Member of the mythical Western Hemisfear crew. Released the West Coast classic Soul on Ice in 1996. Also co-produced “Reconcentrated” on Kozmonautz and appears on “E=MC5”.

Doug “Papa Doug” Kato: Former DJ and Founder of Up Above Records. Also appears on “Be A Hoodlum”.

LMNO: West Coast hip-hop veteran. Member of The Visionaries crew. Don’t Fuck with him or he’ll send your demo tape to Jerry Heller.

Vooodu: MC/Producer and founding member of Western Hemisfear. Appears on “E=MC5” and also co-produced “Reconcentrated”. Also produced many tracks on Soul on Ice.

Meen Green: Western Hemisfear member. Appears on “E=MC5.”

Origins: The Big Bang.

DJ Rhettmatic: I’m a first generation Filipino American. My parents moved to the US in 1968; they settled in Southern California. I was born in Huntington Park (East LA) then moved to Cerritos (a suburb in the LA County, 15 min next to Long Beach, 30 min from Downtown LA) in 1972. I pretty much discovered hip-hop growing up in Cerritos. My 1st introduction to hip-hop was in 7th grade when I saw a bunch of cats forming a circle & started to bust out Popping dance moves.

Someone sneaked in a Boombox with Planet Rock playing out the speakers. As soon as I seen the whole thing happening in front of my eyes, I was totally hooked. Of course, I didn’t even know it was called “Hip-hop” at that time….this was like 1983. During those times, it was normal to do 2 or more out of the 4 elements of hip-hop. I was a popper & a graff writer first until I eventually got into DJing. As I got older, that practically became my calling

Key Kool: My parents were super into music, jazz, soul/r&b. I didn’t realize they were cooler than me until I asked them if they ever saw James Brown live, and they said they saw him at the Hollywood Palladium on New Year’s Eve, sometime around 1965. I was exposed to locking when I saw my brothers friends doing it at a school talent show in 1978, ironically their younger cousins started teaching me how to poplock in 1981. That’s what got me into hip-hop.

My older brother Jin (not the rapper), also had a friend that had a set a turntables and a mixer but didn’t know how to use it. He told me to take it home and show him how to use it after I figured it out (I had already began scratching on my dad’s old stereo and apparently, he thought I had potential.) I picked it up pretty quickly, and by the time I was in 9th grade, people were hiring me to do guest DJ sets at college parties because not a lot of party DJs at the time were really scratching and blending. In LA, we also had 1580 KDAY, the only radio station that had hip-hop programmed 24 hours a day.

LA in the 80s: Popping and Locking. Beats and Swap Meets.

Key Kool: My friends and I would listen to all the KDAY mix masters and be inspired. I think the biggest thing is that I lived on the back neighborhood of the Roadium swap meet. The owner Steve Yano (RIP), was Japanese American like me, and he treated us like nephews. My homie Glen and I would hop the back wall and hang out there all day listening to every new hip-hop record he brought into his stand. Yano was the one who sold the famous Roadium Dr. Dre mixtapes and he actually introduced Eazy-E to Dr. Dre. Being right there as a pee wee in what people call the “ground zero” of LA hip-hop, and seeing NWA’s rise was influential as well.

Rhettmatic: Prior before meeting Key around 1993, I was heavily involved in the Mobile DJ scene in the mid to late 80’s. I was already hanging out with some of the members of the Beat Junkies such as J.Rocc (who founded the crew) & Dj Curse (an OG member & a mentor of mine growing up), coming from different mobile DJ crews, before we actually became a crew officially in 1992.

I was also actually a member of the Rock Steady Crew, LA Chapter in 1991 with Rakaa of Dilated Peoples, B-Boy legends Zulu Gremlin & Easy Roc, & LA DJ legend DJ Rob-One as members as well. My 1st taste into the music business was being the DJ for a group called Brotherhood Creed, which had a hit at the time called “Helluva”.  My best friend was part of the group at that time as well. Needless to say, I got to experience a lot & even got to meet some heroes of mine during the brief stint, but I also learned a lot. It truly taught me to start learning more about the business, that not everything is gold, & to follow my heart & instincts.

Key Kool: DJing seriously kept me from selling drugs or running with gangs…they all told me that it’d be a waste of what they saw as talent. Pretty much every DJ in SoCal would travel to Yano’s record stand cuz he was one of the few that bought from the Big Daddy one stop, so he’d have a bunch of East Coast records that just came out. If you listen to those Dr. Dre mixtapes, you’ll hear all the records that had Just come out at that time, stuff that Yano gave Dre to mix. Those mixes would also play in KDAY. You can hear all of that influence on the NWA Straight Outta Compton album.

Visionaries: Stop Actin’ Scary.

Rhettmatic: After the Brotherhood Creed stint, I pretty much just went back to the drawing board & concentrated on DJing.  And by that time, the Junkies were formed. I also was able to buy my 1st drum machine sampler: the EMU-SP1200 & pretty much just hone in, trying to make beats like my heroes such as Marley Marl, Premier, Pete Rock, Large Professor, Dj Muggs, Dr. Dre, Dj Pooh just to name a few. I worked with a few MC’s but it never really worked out. Thru the grapevine & some parties, I would hear about Key. Remember, there weren’t that many MC’s of Asian descent at that time in the West Coast, let alone in Southern California (with the exception of the Boo-Yaa Tribe, who were from Carson & are of Samoan descent) that really had skills. If I remember correctly, we actually met at a club that a common friend of ours was the main promoter, and Key was actually the host MC…and I think I was doing a guest DJ set.

Key Kool: In 1989 I got recruited by Ice T’s management company Rhyme Syndicate to be in a group as a DJ. Our first demo was recorded at Prince’s Paisley Park Studio in Minnesota. That was my first recording experience in a “real” studio, and I really wanted to rap on a song. As the DJ of the group, I felt confined behind the tables and always wanted to be out front rapping, it just felt more natural to me. We were a group called UNC (United Nations Committee), and the concept was to be a multicultural group. While it was corny and contrived, it was visionary (pun intended). Ironically, it was what The Visionaries actually are, we just happened to be friends that formed a crew, and in fact, that’s how I met LMNO. He was the replacement white guy when the original member quit. Sinful from the group Tha Mexkinz (Mad Sounds/Motown), and Kel C (from the pioneering Minnesota I.R.M. Crew) were the other members of that group. The group disbanded when our manager went to prison. I was MCing at Prince’s club Glam Slam  in downtown LA, (yeah, a bunch of Prince references), and Rhett was the guest DJ.

First time I met Rhettmatic was pretty mind blowing. I was at this club in Hollywood that was always jumping off. In one night you’d see people like Steven Tyler from Aerosmith, one of the Milli Vanilli guys, and Chuck D, and random movie celebs just walking around. We spoke about every hip-hop fact, record, etc – we’re super hip-hop nerds, and he told me he’d send me some beats. I never got them, but about a half a year later my manager says he ran into his old friend Rhett, and so we finally linked to record a song or two. Rhett’s homies from Cerritos who were MCs we’re focused on mashing in their industries, and rightfully so. Rich One founded Creative Recreation Shoes, and Emil (Soriano) is one of the founders of Crooks and Castles. So needless to say, they’ve been successful. So Rhett and I formed a group, and the name Kozmonautz was actually a name that Rich One came up with.

Dannu: I met Key around 93…met Zen in 92 doing shows around LA. Key and Zen were already linked and one day I rolled with Zen to a recording session for Key. That was our first encounter. Rhett was DJing for Key and that’s how I met him when we all rolled to support Key for a show. It was for a tofu festival in little Tokyo.

ZEN: I met Dannu and we started working on music together. Key knew LMNO from a group he had before and we talked about meeting up. Doug Kato started Up Above Entertainment and we had a studio in the office in Carson, called the Bomb Shelter, where the five of us would create. Key was going to UCLA at the time and had a radio show there. Rakaa from Dilated and 2Mex came thru one night to rock the mic. We invited 2Mex to the Bomb Shelter sessions, he showed up and the rest was…well, The Visionaries history. The beginning.

“Stop Actin Scary” is the 1st official The Visionaries song. That pretty much jump started the whole crew. Key knew LMNO already from his early days with him in a group; also during that time he was also part of the Blak Forest crew (what up Wiz!). He was also already working with Zen & Dannu when they were known as “Disciples Of The Sound” before they officially change their group’s name to Writer’s Block. 2Mex already had a buzz as a dope MC in the underground as being part of a group from the Good Life cafe called OMD (Of Mexican Descent) with XOXOLAXINCO. I met 2Mex thru Rakaa (Dilated Peoples) during my Rock Steady Crew days. Rak & Evidence were known as the Fatliners at that time (pre-Dilated, pre-Babu days) & they had a little loose fit crew with OMD, Joey Chavez, & a crew called Project Ill Brothers…it was called “Nerve Defness”. It wasn’t an official crew, but more like homies hanging out together and making music. I actually invited 2Mex just to hang out with us and vibe. I don’t officially remember how exactly how he got down with us but I think we asked him to be down with the crew during a freestyle session (minus me not rapping of course…haha!).

Up Above: Recording Kozmonautz:

Doug “PapaDoug” Kato: Key and I go back pretty far, almost back to high school days. I met Rhett through being a DJ. I was a DJ and my partner was from Cerritos. I started doing these charity dances and live performances and at one time we brought Key along to perform. We were pushing it to get them signed. We were getting quite a bit of action (from labels), but it was just kind of mis-playing the whole “Asian rapper” thing and we just felt like it was just going to go in the wrong direction. So ultimately with the encouragement of (music industry veteran) Violet Brown…she said “Hey, why don’t you guys just start a record label?”

Rhettmatic: We chose to be indie, do it yourselfers by necessity. Major labels were saying shit like Asian people don’t listen to hip-hop, or they wanted to exploit us on some disrespectful level. I like to think we started working on the album around 1994 because the album came out in 1995.

How the name “Kozmonautz” came out about, originally it was a name that I wanted to use for a production crew that was supposed to consist of my best friend Ty (who was also in Brotherhood Creed) but it didn’t really pan out because he lost interest in making beats & went more into freestyle dancing. Then I suggested to Key that we use the name instead, cause I really like the name, plus Key said that it was dope, because it reminded of him that we’re going into “new territory”, being that we might be one of the first Asian American Hip-Hop duos on some Gang Starr steeze, even though we really didn’t set out to be that. We wanted to be respected for our skills regardless of the fact that Key is Japanese American & I’m a Filipino American.

Key Kool: We recorded it at a home studio in East LA with Stan Kaneshige “Moki”, the one who produced Can U Hear It. Really talented musician. His family was so cool, they used to leave the back sliding door unlocked so that we could walk in the house anytime to record. Was crazy when you think about all that equipment.

Rhettmatic:  We recorded everything onto ADAT Tape Machines then we transferred onto 2 inch reel tapes to have it mixed at a professional recording studio (Milagro Sound Recorders ). What’s crazy was that our engineer (Vachik Aghaniantz) is the same engineer that mixed Low Profile’s only album We’re In This Together on Priority Records. If you didn’t know, Low Profile was DJ Aladdin’s & WC’s group (yes, THAT WC of Westside Connection).

E=MC5: Bust The Scientifical (feat. Western Hemisfear)

Rhettmatic: “E=MC5” is probably the only song that had the original Western Hemisfear crew (Ras, Vooodu, & Meen Green) ever recorded onto wax before Ras left the crew. I was doing scratches for Ras’ original “Soul On Ice” demo album before I met Key. I already knew of Ras when he was a dope “Freestyle” dancer. We both have a friend in common: Kalani (RIP) was a dancer & member of Divine Styler’s Scheme Team. He was the one that introduced me to Ras, personally giving me his “Remain Anonymous” 12” on vinyl.

From there, he asked me to contribute scratches to his album (I did scratches on “On Earth As It Is”, “Core Audience”, & “Jack Frost”). This is when I also met Vooodu & Meen Green. All three of them are incredible emcees! Because of me working with them during these times, I was able to ask them to get down on our posse cut & we were lucky to get Vooodu to produce “Reconcentrated” & “Lyrical MD’s”. Me personally, I’m very thankful to have Ras, Meen Green, & Vooodu on the album.

Voodou: In a nutshell me, Ras and Bird we went to high school together and we was dancers at the time. We was called Club House back in the day. We ended up going to different clubs and everybody was on some dancing stuff. Even when we were dancing, we were rhyming. And Bird was the first one out the crew that was a producer. Battlecat took him under his wing and that was his prodigy. So, he learned from Battlecat and I learned from Bird. I would sit in the studio and watch Bird get tutored by Cat. At the time the SP-1200 was the shit. I liked the SP, but the MP was my thing and I work on an MPC 4000 to this day.

We was a group at that point, I named the group West Coast Avengers. There’s was a song Ras was working on were he said “Western Hemisfear” and I said “I should name the group Western Hemisfear”.

Mean Green: I met Vooodu and Bird in Trax studios in Hollywood CA (circa 1992). We clicked and formed a group called The West Coast avengers. Ras at this time was in jail and when he got out we merged and became the Western Hemisfear. We were in Long Beach CA at Rhett’s studio and I remember hearing the beat feeling the comp(etition) level or energy in the room going outside getting high as moon craters and penning then spitting that verse. Each verse set the stage for the next man. Key and LMNO were crazy then to go up against Ras and Vooo, it was a challenge I accepted with open arms LOL.

Vooodu: It was dope because I had never met a white MC and LMNO was the first one. LMNO was dope as…..man! I knew Mean Green, he was just my dude from LA but I didn’t know he was sick like that. We went up in the studio and laid that shit and I was just blown away by LMNO and everybody just blessed the record.

Ras Kass: From what I remember that was Rhettmatic’s idea. pretty sure I met the guys first and would frequent the studio and then eventually my whole group ended up hanging with Up Above and the next thing you know we were all rapping on a sick beat (laughs).

Reconcentrated:

Key Kool: As a DJ, we would play instrumentals, and of course as a fan, I would know entire songs like Run DMC “Sucker MC’s,” and rap it over the instrumental, you know, karaoke rap. Eventually, I started writing little basic raps to put on mixtapes and stuff. It wasn’t until I heard Public Enemy that I realized I could speak about my family’s experience and I wrote a verse about my family going into the concentration camps during World War II.

Ras Kass: Early on I did a lot of my own production. Rhett knew this so I was honored when they asked me to help formulate some ideas for that song. I think Key, knowing I had just written “Nature of the Threat” could help organize his thoughts because “Reconcentrated” is effectively the Japanese-American “Nature of the Threat”.

Key Kool: Rhett was doing scratches for Ras Kass at the time we were working on our album, so we were hanging out a bunch at Kitchen Sync Studios with Ras and the Western Hemisfear Crew. When Ras was recording “Nature if the Threat” I had told him about “Reconcentrated” and how I had researched with the leading Japanese American History Professor Yuji Ichioka, but was needing to finish it feeling the pressure and burden of representing for my family. He was the one that told me to finish that shit for your people, and Voodoo gave me the beat for the song, which was actually supposed to be for the Western Hemisfear posse cut.

Ras was pissed at first, but later said, just let me add some shit to the track, and came in with a Koto sample that completed the track. I’m forever grateful to those brothers for that. The song means so much to me. When my grandfather was sick, and I visited him in the hospital daily, we spoke a lot about his history. I asked him how could he not be angry about being a self made multi-millionaire that came out of the camps to find out that his attorney stole everything from him and was even driving his car: he told me that money means nothing to him as he’s lying down in bed near death, the important thing is his grandson is there to comfort him, spend time with him, and that he was able to make more money anyway, but love and family is the most precious thing.

LMNO: As a fan of edutainment I thought/think “Reconcentrated” was/is necessary for all of us to hear. Key has always been proud of who he is & was never hesitant to express that, makes me proud! His whole family took me in like a family member which means a lot to me despite America’s not so glorious history.

Doug Kato: “Reconcentrated” was kinda revolutionary where universities were studying that song. It memorialized a piece of history that was really forgotten.

Can U Hear It? Closing Impressions

Rhettmatic: I’m not really sure how much of an impact we’ve made with this album, but we definitely have had people come up to both Key & myself over the years & have said to us how much the album & our music has inspired them. I also have heard over the years as well that supposedly our album & the song “E=MC5” is a West Coast underground hip-hop classic. When cats like Vinnie Paz of Jedi Mind Tricks and Apathy have told me personally that they were peeping our music back in the days. All of this truly means a lot.

LMNO: The Kozmonautz took me around the world. I am proud of them for going for it and still going for it to this day, I love Key & Rhett! I am very grateful for everything they’ve done and still do to this day.

Doug Kato: I think that thing that really left an impact of that album is that we did it independently. We were a small fish, swimming with the big fish. We were able to make music the way we wanted to make it. There’s a lot of records out there that 20 years ago, you look at what they did and think “Dude, what were they thinking?” But I think we can pretty much hold our heads up high and say “Dang, that Kozmonautz album is still relevant” I think there was magic in what we were able to do with the little amount of money we had.

Key Kool: I asked my grandfather about what he thought about me rapping, and he said everyone thought he was crazy for leaving Japan at 16 with a few hundred bucks. He said do what you love and go be a pioneer.

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John Morrison is a Philadelphia based DJ, producer, and music journalist (Red Bull Music Academy, Jazz Right Now, Bandcamp Daily etc.) His debut instrumental Hip Hop album Southwest Psychedelphia is a psychedelic trip through a day in the life in his Southwest Philadelphia neighborhood, and available now on Deadverse Recordings. Follow John on Twitter and Instagram.

The High Light Zone by Damu the Fudgemunk

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Just like the producers she’s writing on, Paris-based writer, Madeleine Byrne seeks out artists, forgotten, overlooked or not given the attention they deserve to work out their particular brand of magic and express it in words.

Grown Up Rap is happy to announce we’ll be publishing some of her writing on hip-hop – past and present –  as part of an occasional series of articles, starting with Damu the Fudgemunk’s The High Light Zone, the 12-minute plus instrumental from the Washington DC, Redefinition Records owner’s album he likened to watching a movie, Vignettes

We’re huge fans of Damu at Grown Up Rap (read our interview with him and Jason Moore, aka Raw Poetic, here) – a sentiment more than shared by Madeleine as you’ll see.

The High Light Zone by Damu the Fudgemunk (Vignettes, Redefinition Records, 2017). First published at https://www.madeleinebyrne.com/ July 01, 2017.

 

Extravagant, outlandish claim alert: this track, The High Light Zone from DC-based producer, Damu the Fudgemunk’s two-hour opus, Vignettes might be one of the best pieces of music, Madeleine Byrne writes, in any genre released in 2017.

If you think of hip-hop production as the assemblage of sonic elements, where the skill comes via the construction and use of contrast, Damu the Fudgemunk’s The High Light Zone goes against such easy categorisation. This music sounds like its flying, pure movement – to stop, start, stop and start again. And has a stunning drum sound, a killer beat.

When researching this piece, I had one key question to answer, one puzzle to solve: was this music sample-based, live instrumentation, a mix of both? I contacted Redefinition Records – the label co-founded by Damu the Fudgemunk (the artist known to his classical musician parents as Earl Davis). I asked my friends; one thought it’d be sample-based, another said the opposite, or that it was made up of live instrumentation sampled and spliced and found a clip posted on Twitter by the flutist, Seb Zillner as back-up for his hunch that showed him recording a part for the record’s track Solitary Refinement.

But then my trying to ‘work it out’ runs counter against the experience of listening to this music, which encapsulates such energy that it leaves you feeling transcendent, perhaps even breathless at times because of the essential swing of it, the kick of it. And it is this energy that sets it apart.

Many contemporary hip-hop instrumentals mine a similar territory, it often seems to me. Whether they are following the classic prototype set down by the great masters from the 90s, or burrowing into the super-soft fractured melody-driven style so popular today, you can recognise a formula: start with a dramatic, or mood-setting vocal sample (a comedic skit, or something from the news, the voice of a famous artist to set the theme of the music) and combine three, or so elements that appear/re-appear at set intervals. There is nothing wrong with following conventions, but sometimes it can feel a bit stale.

The High Light Zone starts with a sample, but the overall effect of the music is closer to a live jazz performance, or poppy electronic music from the 80s, say the extended remixes, or live performances of English groups, such as New Order – not so much for the sound, but the music’s essential exuberance.

 

What makes The High Light Zone so interesting though is that even if it might seem to be closer to other genres of music – the duration could be that of a live jazz band performance, the snazzy feel could come direct from disco – the hip-hop foundations are plain to see, mainly via the way Damu the Fudgemunk exposes the beat and then allows the music to stop completely at times.

The final two minutes of the piece where one instrument/or one part comes forward and the others recede: this resembles jazz, but whereas the expectation within that genre would be for a musician to let loose with some kind of solo, or improvisation, it’s controlled/contained. Here we find the direct point of continuum with the hip-hop aesthetic.

This has always been something that has appealed to me in hip-hop production, the way the manipulation of the various elements thwarts our expectations and desires, via the refusal of development and release; the various parts begin, then stop, or are repeated over and over. It’s a kind of anti-music, in essence, punk almost.

This music by 9th Wonder, Let me Talk – released, I think in 2011 – offers up an extreme version of this tendency, aggressively cutting it back at points leaving total silence when you expect the music to build towards its conclusion.

 

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Paris writer Madeleine Byrne’s interviews and articles on hip-hop have been published at The Wire Magazine, Passion of the Weiss, Okayplayer.com, Ambrosia for Heads and here at Grown Up Rap – we published her interview with Nolan the Ninja earlier this year. Check out her site, madeleinebyrne.com to read more.

Playlist: The Best MC’s Ever: The Other Guys – Part 2

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Zilla Rocca continues his playlist of the greatest emcees you won’t find on your average list, suggested by his Twitter followers. Check Part 2 and Zilla Rocca’s intro notes below. If you missed Part 1, catch up here.

The Best MC’s Ever: The Other Guys – Part 2. Words and playlist curation by Zilla Rocca

What I love about this next group of rappers is how you have G. Dep in there, someone who lights up my mentions anytime his name is typed out on Twitter. G. Dep is the perfect example of being one of the greatest rappers of all time – sometimes you just need a small contribution to make a decades-long impact. That flow! From Special Delivery to Let’s Get It to Child of the Ghetto – do we need more than three songs to prove his talent was titanic?

Pace Won stole the show on The Fugees’ The Score with Cowboys, then electrified us with I Declare War and The Rah Rah. I don’t need five classic LP’s after that to tell you he’s incredible.

Cool Calm Pete hasn’t released a project in 12 years but Lost still sticks with people. How many other rappers are you still thinking about from 2006 who aren’t even active?

On a personal note, my friends billy woods and Elucid are now making it up the ranks and it’s incredible to see, but it’s also built on a four year run of those dudes pumping out incredible music every few months, solo or as Armand Hammer. They are the indie prog rap version of Redman and Method Man.

And don’t forget that Method Man has never gotten over his lack of props, which is astounding considering he formatted his rhymes on paper with the technical science of GZA and Rakim but delivered them with the rolling charisma and unpredictable catchiness of ODB. Just write down his rhyme scheme on Bring the Pain and see how he breaks up his punchlines. He is the rare rapper to completely map out his verses but deliver it in fashion that sounds freestyled. His rhymes are mechanical but his delivery is liquid.

Track list:
1. Tame One – Tame As It Ever Was
2. Method Man – The Riddler
3. G-Dep – Child of the Ghetto
4. Devin the Dude – Doobie Ashtray
5. Peedi Crack – Good Life
6. Black Thought – 75 Bars
7. Killer Mike – God in the Building
8. Cool Calm Pete – Lost
9. Pusha T – Numbers on the Board
10. Pace Won – Sunroof Top
11. Mos Def – Quiet Dog
12. Ka – Vessel
13. Mr. Lif – Live from the Plantation
14. Beanie Sigel – The Truth
15. billy woods – Warmachines
16. Elucid – Son Still Shine
17. Lauryn Hill – Final Hour
18. El-P – Drones Over Bklyn
19. Styles P – I-95
20. Kurupt – Calling Out Names

Interview: Alaska (Words Hurt, Hangar 18)

WORDS HURTWords Hurt just released their debut album, Fuck That Pretty Boy Shit , but we’re a long way from the start of rapper Alaska’s rap career. Gingerslim caught  up with him to find out about his musical ventures past, present and future, as well as some insights into his thoughts on the current state of hip-hop.

For those people who aren’t that familiar with you or your music, can you enlighten us a bit on your background?

My name is Tim, I go by the rap name Alaska. I was part of a weird fringe of the 1990s underground scene that developed when a bunch of weird assholes got together to make weird rap music as a collective called The Atoms Family, which spawned my old group Hangar 18, as well as Cannibal Ox and Cryptic One. Hangar 18 eventually dropped a few albums with the indie label Def Jux, home to acts such as Aesop Rock, EL-P, the aforementioned Cannibal Ox, etc.

We toured for a while, lost a lot of money, and eventually called it quits. I then formed a group called The Crack Epidemic with a producer named Kojo Kisseih, we dropped an EP and an LP.

 

I had a kid, needed to make a lot of changes in my life to make sure I could be a functioning adult who could live up to the responsibility of being a dad, so I walked away from rapping for a while. A few years later when my friend Pawl, who produced the Hangar 18 albums, was working on a documentary about indie rappers who were now pushing 40, I reconnected with some of the old Atoms Family heads and caught the bug again. We put out an album called Sands and this reignited my love for rap music. I had a few failed starts at working on a solo album either due to my material not being good enough, or the producers I was working with falling off the face of the earth. Eventually I met Lang and we just formed Words Hurt. From that, Fuck That Pretty Boy Shit was born.

How did you and Lang end up working together?

Lang and I have never actually met, I am not 100% sure that he is even a real person. I knew him from my days writing at SYFFAL, he submitted some music, some of which I liked quite a bit. Eventually I did a guest appearance on his album Lang Vo Is An Asshole and as a favor I asked him to mix this little mixtape EP I made over Outkast beats. This fucker went and took all the vocals, and added original production to them, making them doper than they had ever been. From there Words Hurt was born. We found a formula that worked for us and ran with it.

Your new album is fueled in part, by an element of despair at the current state of rap culture; what do you feel needs to be done to bring us back from the fuck boy era?

I think if anything it is fuelled by a frustration with American Culture in general. Rap is just part of that. I just fucking hate posers, I always have, and yes I know I am way too fucking old to give a shit about posers, but I do.  It’s ingrained in me. I think the current state of rap is awesome, but I also know nothing about the current popular state of rap. That shit is for 16 year olds and 16 year olds have always been suckers who follow trends and do all they can not to stand out. Fuck those assholes. I think our culture as a whole has completely gone that route. There are no true individuals, we are just a gang of tribes who identify solely with what we consume. It’s disgusting. I don’t think we can fix the current state of popular rap until we fix our society. In the meantime though, it is making for some truly awesome underground music. So its a boom for me and my tastes.

 

What do you think triggered this shift in taste, or is it just part of the cycle of trends?

I think it is natural to an extent. I think teenagers should be repulsed by the shit their parents like and vice versa. We are in a fully fledged generation gap at this point. My hope is that their tastes will evolve and they will move towards more quality younger cats. I think you kind of see it happening already, there is a movement towards something more lasting from younger hip-hop heads, not just people who like rap for driving around to. I also think us older folk need to get the fuck off our high horse and remember what it was like when we were young and totally going against the shit our parents liked. A lot of the shit we liked sucked too and has not aged well at all.

What are the pros and cons of putting music out totally independently vs. through a label?

The pros are that I can do whatever the fuck I want, whenever the fuck I want. I don’t have to tour. I don’t have to pretend to like people who are assholes. I don’t have to worry about being a disappointment to anyone but myself and I can make music without any concerns about what anyone else thinks. I had a bad experience with Hangar 18 and the Sweep The Leg album, where we worried too much about reaching certain markets, trying to make other people happy and making sure we had something that was commercially viable, as opposed to making the record we wanted. Mind you this was all bullshit pressure that we put on ourselves. We were in such a bubble that we created that we thought this was the right way to create; we sort of lost our way and compromised our principles for the idea of commerce. When the album came out and bombed commercially and critically, it was soul crushing. And it wasn’t anyone’s fault but our own. We had a much better version of the album, but we started focusing on the right guest appearance, or the catchy hook to sell to a car company or some shit, and what would work to make people say “hey” at a show.

After that album I made a conscious choice that I was only going to make music that I liked, and only when I had something I needed to get out. Being totally independent allows for that. The only con is that we do not have the mechanisms behind us that we would enjoy if we were on a label, so we have a smaller reach, but I think we are OK with that. We make fringe music for angry weird people, and that is a limited fucking audience. I like that audience because they don’t show up at school functions when I am with my kid, so I don’t have to have awkward conversations about my rap career within earshot of the other parents. I can be anonymous.

Do you feel it’s an advantage having the Def Jux name behind you, or do you feel people have an idea of how you should sound before they’ve even heard your music?

At this point I am not sure. I mean, it has been almost 10 years since the last Hangar 18 album. I think a lot of the people who supported us have aged out of the system and I really have no idea how to reach them. So I don’t know if it helps out. I guess to a certain class of rap fan the name will always help, but it probably does breed expectations that I am not sure I care to give a fuck about. It is a big part of the reason I wanted to have a group name instead of Alaska and Lang Vo or some shit. It kind of wipes the slate clean and allows it to live on its own.

As you mentioned earlier, you hooked up with some of your former Atoms Family members to record Sands a few years back; what prompted the ‘reunion’ and are we likely to hear any more from you guys in the future?

Sands was really a right place, right time kind of project. We were all working on Pawl’s film and Cryptic was doing the score. Pawl asked us to record a song to one of the beats for a companion cassette he was dropping with the film, so Cryptic, Wind and I recorded Sands. From there we just kept recording until we had an album. I would never rule something out. I think doing a full fledged Atoms project with everyone could be super fun and super dope. It would just be a matter of the planets lining up correctly for a few months. I would definitely be game though.

You’re always very receptive to people supporting your work on online platforms, is that a case of not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you?

Nah, I’m not really worried about biting the hand because I don’t make any real money off music, I make music because I love it. So I am not looking for the next big score, or the right Needle Drop review or whatever. I appreciate that people are sharing something and I am assuming they are doing it because they like it. It is really a way to say thank you for the time they took to check out our music. It means a lot to me.

What’s next for Words Hurt and your career in general?

We are finishing up a new summer single right now called Kings of Summer which features Windnbreeze, my old rap partner from Hangar 18  and that has a b-side called Eloise (Hey Young Girl), which was kind of inspired by the Nas song Daughters. I wanted to make a song that was about my kid, but was sort of general enough that it could relate to anyone in a father-daughter relationship. Its about my hopes and dreams for her. We are also in the very early planning stages for our next album, which we will probably start work on once Lang finishes his Reinforced Steel project with Kwam.

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Gingerslim has been a hip-hop fan since 1994 and has written for various blogs and websites since around 2006. During that time he has contributed to style43, Think Zebra, Headsknow and Front Magazine. His main interests in rap are UK hip hop and the underground movement in America, with a focus on Rhymesayers Entertainment and the once mighty Def Jux label. He lives in Bristol and has a beard. All other details are sketchy at best.

Interview: House Shoes

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Michael ‘House Shoes’ Buchanan is one of the most respected men in hip-hop. Although intrinsically tied to the music of his native Detroit, and the legacy of J Dilla, he’s been living in Los Angeles for the last decade, and here tells us about how his record label, Street Corner Music, has a vision that goes way beyond just local talent. Brutally honest as always, House Shoes also shares his thoughts on the shady side of Record Store Day.

Street Corner Music (SCM) is known for shining light on new and upcoming artists from Detroit. It is easy to find local talent, or is there a lot of filtering before you find someone with potential?

Street Corner Music has nothing to do with Detroit, or any specific region. It has to do with talent. I’m good at finding talent. My ears have no competition. The ones with potential are easy to find. It’s just a question of who gets the opportunities I am willing to provide.

With your status as an ambassador for Detroit hip-hop, is the preference for SCM to always choose a local artist who has potential but needs more development, over an artist not from Detroit who is already developed and ready to go?

Once again, this is not grounded in any specific region. I left Detroit 10 years ago. My perspective is that of the whole. I don’t care where you’re from. All I want is the heat. Definitely not here to groom someone who ain’t all the way there yet. I need the best. Period.

Would you say that helping local artists is altruistic, and therefore that SCM is more like a community project rather than a business?

Slightly. The mission of SCM is to give great records to those who actually deserve them. On both sides of the fence. The artists and the fans. I want to give the artists and the fans the best work possible.

 

You’ve been influential in the careers of many who moved in Dilla’s circle, like Phat Kat, Elzhi, Frank N Dank. Has there ever been talk of these guys releasing music through SCM?

No. I’m building my own thing.

The label is committed to releasing music on vinyl, CDs and tapes. Tell us more about your passion for these formats, and why they are important to keep alive.

I don’t do CDs for the most part. I may press some to give to the artist to do hand to hand at shows. The main focus is vinyl. Always has been. But in 2016 it takes a long fucking time to get records pressed. So the tapes come into play since they are so cheap and the turnaround is so quick.

Is it cost effective to press vinyl in today’s climate, or is there a risk of losing a lot of money if units don’t sell?

Takes money to make money. As long as you present quality time and time again, you should be straight. Records are definitely not cheap, but I keep quantities collectable low. The majority of my releases have grown in value.

Could a label like SCM survive without Fat Beats, Traffic and other companies willing to distribute independent hip-hop?

Definitely. It would be a lotta damn work though. I’m built for it though. Knock on wood Fat Beats ain’t going anywhere.


Despite the recent resurgence, new vinyl releases still feel mainly for us older heads, who have a historical appreciation, but also the tangible income to actually buy records. Is there a risk therefore of turning off the younger generation, who just want everything digitally, and immediately?

I sell my records to old and young cats. I’m not concerned with what people want or how they want it. I’m only concerned with what I do and what my squad does. Kids are buying records too. Shit’s cool again. You want digital? You go to iTunes and cop SCM digitally. I’m definitely not concerned with cats being turned off by any decisions I make regarding SCM. They can spend their money elsewhere. I do what I do.

As someone passionate about vinyl, and also having worked in a lot of record shops, what are your thoughts on Record Store Day being accused of taking all the capacity of pressing plants, making it hard for small labels to get their vinyl manufactured on time?

Record Store Day is trash. On so many levels. Initiated to expose indie labels and stores, now the majors are pressing up ridiculous amounts of records you can find in every dollar section or thrift store in the world. We don’t need 10,000 ‘Limited Edition’ copies of Whipped Cream and Other Delights.

So now it takes us seven months to get a record pressed and a lotta indie labels just can’t get shit pressed in time for Record Store Day. We do Record Store Night in LA once a month – SCM and the New Los Angeles label along with Novation. We pretty much take a piss on RSD every month.

Is Record Store Day something Street Corner Music has, or would take part in?

Nope.

Father. Label boss. DJ. Producer. Businessman. Which title do you feel most comfortable with?

Father. Being a father is a blessing. Fuck rap. Buy my records though.

See here for more on House Shoes and Street Corner Music. Follow on Twitter @HouseShoes. Illustration by Gleenhouse.

Native Tongues: Accents in UK Hip-hop

KonnyIt might be 2016, but take a trip around the message boards and comments sections and you will still find confused, angry UK rap fans screaming for authenticity in one breath, and then shooting down artists who rap in their native accents, with the next. With labels like Blah, Bad Taste, AssociatedMinds and EatGood coming to the fore in recent years and bringing their regional accents with them, you could be forgiven for thinking that this was never an issue, but the reality is far different. Writer Gingerslim looks back through his own memories of UK hip-hop, and also speaks to a couple of artists, about their own recollections of who paved the way outside London, and what personal struggles they have had to deal with.

I got into hip-hop back in 1994, when I was 14, but my first memory of UK hip-hop was hearing London Posse’s Money Mad in about 1996 (which had been released way back in 1988). At the time I couldn’t believe there were people in this country making the same style of music I had grown to love, and hearing these people rapping in a British accent was an enlightening experience for me.

But that was still a London accent, albeit with a heavy Jamaican twang. It was also pre-internet, so I remained blissfully unaware of the acts up and down the country, who had been trying to make a break with their own accents for years. Crews like Krispy 3 in Chorley, Ruthless Rap Assassins in Manchester, Suspekt in Derby and II Tone Committee in Glasgow, were bringing out records as far back as the late 80s and early 90s, and helped give rise to the Britcore movement, as it became known. This movement was the first time since hip-hop arrived on our shores where we actually had our own identity, and although the critical success of releases like Ruthless’ Killer Album in 1990 and II Tone’s Beings from a Word Struck Surface in 1991, never generated the same response on a commercial scale, the scene was strong enough to have piqued the interest of up and coming MCs from all over the country.

I asked Konny Kon (Broke N English/Microdisiacs/Children of Zeus), who hails from Manchester, about his early memories of UK rap and he said that although a lot of local rappers chose to affect other accents, hearing people come through with the local dialect was his main inspiration:

“In Manchester when people stopped rapping in American accents a lot of them rapped in a ‘London accent’. But after we heard Krispy 3, Ruthless Rap Assassins, MC Buzz Bee and such like, there was really no excuse. I think for me what really opened my eyes, when we started putting out records, were the Nottingham MCs. There was a wave of really nice MCs who had an accent I wasn’t familiar with at all. At first a lot of us laughed but in the end that was the best accent in the UK to rap with.”

That last comment resonated a lot with me because when I first heard rappers from the Midlands and other places outside London, my first reaction was to laugh, because to me it just did not sound ‘right’. I guess I already classed the ‘right’ sound as London lingo and I think that was the problem for a lot of people. However, my view changed quickly when I heard the level these guys were rapping at and also when I came to realise that different accents allowed for the different pronunciation of words, ultimately allowing for lyrical flows to vary greatly, even when the same words were being used. It also heralded the emergence of different slang words from across the country and all of this helped to shape the scene we know and love today. But what about the backlash, if there was one? Were artists being slated for trying to keep it real? I asked Bubber Loui from Bristol crew Aspects for his view.

“I can’t remember ever being held back by our accents, but I do think we may have been pigeon-holed to some extent. We always included a strong sense of humor in the stuff we did and that coupled with what some deem to be a bumpkin accent, doesn’t help you to be viewed seriously.”

I would argue that the Bristol scene and Aspects in particular, were the catalyst for the change in people’s perceptions as to how UK hip-hop should sound, as the West Country is home to some of the heavier regional accents in the country. This is evident in Aspects receiving critical acclaim for their releases, from the likes of Radio One and MTV, despite making their accents even stronger, as Bubber explains:

“Someone recently linked me to a video of a very early show at Ashton Court Festival in around ’97 that me and Ian (El Eye) performed at. What strikes me now looking at the performance, is that I really pushed up my accent in truth. I was so militant about repping the south west I actually emphasized and accentuated what I wanted to be heard.”

That ties in with what Jamie Hombre, head of Bristol’s Hombre Records, had touched on in Peter Webb’s Youth Cultures: Scenes, Subcultures and Tribes book, published in 2007. Peter writes that in the 90s Jamie had recognized the importance of the accent in UK hip-hop and that labels like Hombre had promoted the Bristol accent as a mark of authenticity, ultimately changing people’s attitudes as to how hip-hop should sound in this country.

Now I think we are now in a time when the majority of genuine rap fans understand the importance of being true to your roots on the mic and not settling for an adopted accent, simply to try to break into the charts, like many accuse Iggy Azalea of doing. But even then, it seems to be one rule for one, as Mike Skinner (The Streets) the Birmingham native, sounded like he never set foot in the Midlands in his life. There are arguments which hold weight on both sides of this debate, because as I have found myself from moving round the country, accents are one thing that can subconsciously be adopted by a person, just by getting on well with the people they are conversing with. But then consciously choosing to adopt an accent, to me seems like deception and a definite two fingers up at your heritage. Only they will really know if their affectation was conscious or unconscious though.

For me personally, I welcome all these accents and regional lingos with open arms/ears, because they are a signal that the UK is now at a point where lyrical skill, clarity and strength of production are the key factors in determining what is good hip-hop.

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Gingerslim has been a hip-hop fan since 1994 and has written for various blogs and websites since around 2006. During that time he has contributed to style43, Think Zebra, Headsknow and Front Magazine. His main interests in rap are UK hip hop and the underground movement in America, with a focus on Rhymesayers Entertainment and the once mighty Def Jux label. He lives in Bristol and has a beard. All other details are sketchy at best.