Exclusive Premiere: Curly Castro – ‘Babel’ feat. Defcee, Collasoul Structure & Elucid + Interview

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Wrecking Crew emcee Curly Castro releases his anticipated TOSH LP next week, but today we’re bringing you the exclusive premiere of album track Babel, featuring his frequent collaborator Elucid, plus Defcee and Collasoul Structure. Listen above, then read on for our Curly Castro interview.

You’ve described TOSH as being inspired by DOOM, George Orwell and Spike Lee. That’s quite the dinner party. Can you unpack that for us?

TOSH is an amalgam that I had in the works for four years. I am an admitted DOOM acolyte, a Sci-Fi cine-file, and a Spike Lee devotee. So any of my works will always have those gamma radiated glows, within. TOSH is the Wrecking Crew combination of Brooklyn boom-bap with Schoolly D Drums.

There’s also an obvious reference to Peter Tosh in the album’s name, and to an extent in the sound. How does his story and legacy inspire you?

I wanted to make a record that illustrated some of my cultural influences, as well as my musical ones. I wanted folks to know what Flatbush & Church Ave smelled like, in a West Indian-Brooklyn morning. The sounds, the air, I hoped to give a little sample of that with TOSH, with Peter Tosh being the main catalyst for the message, in the sense that Peter was unapologetically HIMSELF within his music. He took no shorts and listened to no one beneath him musically. He was a force incarnate. TOSH also flexes some unmatched bladework, I am Wrecking Crew after all.

When we interviewed billy woods last year, we talked about how spending parts of his upbringing in the West Indies shaped him as a musician. Seeing as you have ties there too, I was curious about how it may have molded you?

Well I am a third generation Bajan (Barbados in origin), and my upper firmament of relatives (Grandmother, Grandfather, Great Aunts & Uncles, etc.) all came from the island and relocated mostly in Brooklyn. America and her ways have a totally different tint when you look through ‘Foreigner’ shades. To make a long story short, my evolution came of the American wilderness, but my five senses were of a Caribbean tilt. Our eyes see things different, our palate tastes things different, our ears hunt for different sounds, and our skin begs for different climate, so on and so forth. So anytime I create, I am influenced by those base ideals and stimuli.

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TOSH is an ambitious, expansive project, covering a lot of ground. You also have a lot of different producers on there, providing different soundscapes. Was this intentional, maybe to help each track stand alone, while also still fitting cohesively with the rest of them?

Usually, most of my bigger releases have the multiple producer format employed. I sent out the call as a mission to accomplish, to all those interested. I asked for hip-hop beats with a Dub slant or influence. As the sonics dictate, the results were exceptional and uniquely varied. I only work with folks whom I trust with total autonomy. And all the producers involved performed with great aplomb. Couldn’t have been more blessed with their respective contributions. BIGGUPS!

I was also pleased to see a beat by someone who is vastly underrated as a producer, Blueprint (Eulogy to Hottentot). How did you and Printmatic connect?

Print is a gift to our culture and we are all very lucky to have him. Blueprint produced the lead single for my last solo record, FIDEL. The song was They Call Me Castro (there’s a video out there for that as well). We also did a song together on my Wrecking Crew A-alike Small Professor’s Gigantic Vol. I LP (Make Moves). So we have a decent working history, and I am a big fan of his work. So when word got out about what I was looking for in terms of TOSH sonics, Print said “Oh I have something that might fit that aesthetic, try this one out.” And of course it fit PERFECT, and became one of my more enjoyable songs on the record.

Elsewhere you also have production from Blockhead, who in my opinion in recent years has created some of his best work for Backwoodz Studioz artists.

Blockhead’s contribution came about as a fit of hip-hop generosity as well. The beat was originally for billy woods, but again, when woods heard about the TOSH initiative, he was like “Hey, try this Blockhead beat out, see if it works.” Another one that fit like a glove! So I humbly asked Blockhead if ownership of the beat could be transferred from the enigmatic one, woods, to myself. He was more than down, and even complemented the track once I completed it and added woods as the guest feature.

Regular readers will know we’ve championed music from your circle for a long time; Wrecking Crew, billy woods, Elucid et al. It comes across as a strong creative network where all of you are genuinely rooting for each other to do well and produce your best work. Is that a fair assessment?

Very Fair. All of us in “otherground” (what we call our collective, sometimes) have been in crews, clicks, clans, clandestine and otherwise. So we all went thru the gamut of competitive-cooperative hip-hop economics. And with our current incarnation, we’ve been through all that already. So we support one another without any pause whatsoever. A win for one, is a win for the Massive. Man sharpens man, like steel sharpens steel.

Tell us about working with billy’s Backwoodz Studioz imprint. It feels like a label that gives artists free reign to produce exactly the kind of music they want, with no pressure to conform to something that will help sales?

Backwoodz supports the creative, they want our creative spirit to be free-flowing and as envelope-pushing as possible. They embrace the Mutant X gene, and encourage its use. It’s refreshing to have a label with the same sensibilities as your own. I was a great fan and supporter of their entire catalogue before my inclusion. It was only right, and a matter of time, that I crafted something, that would spark their antennae, and give a neighbourhood rebel a shot.

You have billy woods on Ital-You-Can-Eat, and Elucid on Babel. Was having them feature separately as their own entity instead of together on the same track as Armand Hammer a conscious decision? I ask because them together is definitely different to them apart.

The way I featured them on the record, was strictly governed by the needs of the song. Simply put, billy woods fit ITAL-You-Can-Eat for his culinary expertise and mastery of the slang of sustenance. And Elucid fit well with the serrated samurai work of Babel, along with Defcee & Collosoul Structure (of Jyroscope). Armand Hammer in full force, I might not be worthy. LOL

Any final words about TOSH?

I hope the people dig the record, I put a lot of myself into this record, and I hope to make my Caribbean ancestry proud. ‘Wrecking Crew God!! Even on my worst day.’ And Biggups to Backwoodz Studioz for believing in the kid. Please snatch up TOSH on December 14, when it drops. Also grab Future Former Rapper from my best friend, Zilla Rocca. And grab Church Jawns by Small Professor. Oh, and Poet’s Payday by Premrock & Fresh Kils. Just know that Wrecking Crew is working, catching wreck from planet to planet!! WonL.

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TOSH it out December 14 on Backwoodz Studioz. Get it here. Follow Curly Castro on Twitter. Interview by Grown Up Rap Editor Ben Pedroche.

Bonus Beat:

Curly Castro also handed us this unreleased track he did with the group Black Uhuru a few years back:

Exclusive First Listen: Seed x Nottz – ‘No Way In Hell’ + Interview

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Rhyme vet Seed drops his new album with producer Nottz, No Way In Hell, tomorrow, but you can listen to an exclusive early stream below. Keep scrolling after that for an interview with Seed himself, where we talk about working with the seasoned beatmaker, politics in music, and the late, great Pumpkinhead.

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No Way In Hell is your first full-length project with Nottz, but your relationship goes back a long, long way. Tell us more about your history together?

Ant Marshall and Danny Castro from Lyricist Lounge introduced me to Nottz. He was the most incredible producer I heard at the time. When it became time for me to work on my single, I went back to him and we did For The Kids. The rest is history.

How do you guys like to work; in person in the studio, or separate with a selection of beats he provides?

Back in the day, I used to record in his studio. This album, we pretty much did it via the internet.

If you had to describe No Way In Hell in five words, what would they be?

Hmmm…five words? Dope. Creative. Hip-Hop. Timeless…and FIRE. Definitely FIRE!!!

I don’t want to dwell too much on the subject matter of The Devil’s In The White House, or even mention that asshole’s name, but I wanted to give you major props for saying what everyone else should be. There’s definitely a lack of artists willing to stand up and comment on this crazy situation, right?

Trump is definitely sending Secret Service to people’s cribs if the song or statement is big enough. ‪Snoop Dogg and YG both made records with visuals denouncing Trump and were approached. Kathy Griffin was blackballed and approached for a picture holding up Trump’s head with ketchup on the face. I think a lot of people are scared. Me? I’m not gonna say I’m scared or not scared…but I am gonna say that I’m the type of cat to speak on things that I think about in my music. And that goes for anybody.

Hip-Hop has always been political of course, but less so in these times of short attention spans and so much new music. How do you strike a balance between saying what you want to say, versus what people want to hear?

I don’t have too many political records. Every now and again I’ll say something. But for the most part, I’m more vocal in person about political issues and such.

I’ve heard you describe When All Else Fail as your favorite track on the album. Tell us why?

It’s just different. It has a feel to it that I haven’t heard before. I like what I was saying in the second verse a lot too.

It’s interesting to see that Yellow Lights features Sauce Money, a name we don’t hear enough of these days. How did that collaboration come about?

Working with Sauce was on my bucket list. Sauce was and is one of the best to ever do it. Period.

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Rock also features on the album, on a remix to an older joint, Belt Off. Where you close to Sean Price at all? 

Sean P and I weren’t close like that. We knew each other and were cool, but we didn’t know each other like that. Him and my partner PH (RIP) knew each other well.

Which actually brings me to my next question: You also worked a bit with another BK icon we lost too soon, Pumpkinhead. How do you feel about his legacy?

I feel like hip-hop lost someone VERY special. Someone who would help ANYBODY if he could. He inspired me to be that way, as well as many others. I’d say that’s a hell of a legacy…and I’m proud of that.

What’s coming up next after No Way In Hell?

Got a couple features lined up. Some stuff with The Snowgoons, Mikey D and Hellz Yea! Plus I wanna get started on another one with Nottz real soon.

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No Way In Hell is out tomorrow (September 28). Go get it here. Follow Seed (Twitter, Instagram) and Nottz (Twitter, Instagram). Interview by Grown Up Rap Editor Ben Pedroche.  

Exclusive Premiere & Interview: Jazz Spastiks – ‘Straight From The Gutter’ feat. Godfather Don

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Production duo Jazz Spastiks has carved out an incredible catalog of music over the last few years, dropping instrumental and emcee-led projects that have gained critical acclaim. They are about to drop two new projects with indy icon Godfather Don; one a collection of remixes of previous Godfather Don tracks, the other a couple of new singles. You can hear an exclusive premiere of one of the new joints, Straight From The Gutter, below. Then keep scrolling for an interview with one half of the duo, Murray.

Talk to me about the new projects with Godfather Don. He’s something of an enigma, almost DOOM-level elusive. How did working with him come about? 

Ha ha, yeah! We never even considered the possibility of working with Godfather Don. We are huge fans of him as an emcee and also as a producer. His work has been a big influence on our own. As you say he’s been pretty quiet in recent years and he doesn’t really have a presence on the internet so we had no way to contact him. It was Diggers With Gratitude (Record label and online forum for vinyl collecting hip-hop enthusiasts) who put the project together. They had previously worked with Don and had also released some of our stuff on vinyl. They suggested that we should remix some of Don’s classic material and of course, we jumped at the chance.

You even managed to get him to record a couple of new joints. What was the recording process like, and did he take much convincing to get in the booth?

After we completed the remixes the idea of creating some brand new tracks was discussed. We sent over a couple of our best beats and Don said he was going to take it old school with his vocals. It wasn’t long before we got the songs back and we were blown away by his rhymes.

One thing that’s impressed me about your releases is the commitment to making a quality physical product, with good artwork, and the Scratch and Sniff book. A vinyl resurgence is great, but the end product is often a let down. How do you feel about the quality of a lot of vinyl coming out right now?

Thanks! I mean personally, I’ve never had a problem with bad quality vinyl, but my advice would be to stick to record labels that you trust.

You have a huge amount of music available on Bandcamp. With how easy it is to get music online, is it tempting to try and put all your music out there, or do you strictly only release the best material?

Yeah, we have a lot on Bandcamp, we’ve been making music for years so it’s slowly built up. We only release our very best stuff though and we have a ton of beats that are unreleased.

I really loved the Midnight Method album with MelloSoulBlack. Their style works really well with your production, as do the PenPals on your projects with them. How do you choose who you want to work with?

Thanks. Well, it’s always different, with MelloSoulBlack they got in touch with us as they were fans of our beats. We checked out their stuff and loved their rhymes so we started working together. As for PenPals, we made a post on Facebook asking our followers what the best new hip-hop they were listening to was. Someone posted PenPals and after checking them out and loving their album we got in touch with them. They said they liked our work as well and so we began work on the album.

 

Hate to use it because it’s a played-out term, but your music has a definite ‘throwback’ quality to it, a sense of fun that captures the original essence of hip-hop. How would you describe your sound?

Yeah, I mean we’re not fans of the term either. To us, we just make hip-hop the way it’s meant to be made. Modern mainstream hip-hop is just pop music. We’re not going to start doing that just because it’s fashionable.

As a production duo, what’s your process like in terms of who does what?

It’s different for each song, sometimes one of us will find a sample and the other will build on that or it could be the other way round. Mikey (the other half of the Jazz Spastiks) has a background as a dj so he does a lot of the scratching for the hooks in our songs. I have a background in sound engineering and production so I have more input on that side of things. Having said that we are both fully involved in all aspects of the process.

There’s a question I always like to ask producers. Do you make albums intended for emcees to spit over the same way as you make instrumental-only albums? Or do you make an instrumental album as a standalone work? Or are your beats interchangeable, and not yet known if they will get vocals on top when you make them?

Well, at the start, the beats could be anything but once they start to take shape we’ll get an idea of what they could be used for. We might think this will be good as an interlude or this one will be good for a particular emcee or project.

Taking this question further, you guys often release an instrumental version of albums that had vocals. Its a time-honored tradition in hip-hop of course, but I’m curious as to why you guys see the value in it? 

Well, our audience is kind of split. We have a lot of rap fans but we also have a lot of listeners who prefer instrumental hip-hop without any vocals so we try to cater for both.

Your recent work has all been released as the Jazz Spastiks, but you’ve also put out records as the Slipmat Brothers. Is there a difference between the two?

Slipmat Brothers was just another alias we used but we realized that it caused confusion and made it harder to reach our existing audience so we’ve decided to stick with Jazz Spastiks.

Once the Godfather Don projects are out, what can we expect next from you guys?

We’ve remixed the PenPals album Made For The Underground, it has all new beats and some guest verses from some really great emcees. It will be dropping on double vinyl which also includes the instrumental versions. Look out for more information on that very soon.

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Order Straight from the Gutter b/w Kick the Ballistics here, and Godfather Don: Jazz Spastiks Renixes here. Follow Jazz Spastiks on Twitter. Interview by Grown Up Rap Editor Ben Pedroche.

Exclusive Premiere: BP & Tragedy Khadafi – ‘Mastermind’ feat. Apathy

BP_Trag_3x2Today we premiere the latest single from the upcoming album by producer BP and Queensbridge icon Tragedy Khadafi, Immortal Titans. Mastermind also features guest raps from Apathy, and cuts by DJ Stitches. Listen below, then read on for exclusive interviews with BP, Tragedy and Apathy.

 

Tragedy; Tell us about Immortal Titans. How did you and BP connect, and decide to do a full album?

[Tragedy] I chose to work with BP after we did Upper Echelon. After that one joint I felt a real connection. It was instant chemistry. Sometimes the type of chemistry we have can take weeks, months, or even years, but with us it was off top. Automatic and organic. What started as a single, went on to be an EP and ultimately an album…an album I’m extremely excited about. I feel like a Young Trag spawned from the Juice Crew.

A lot of the featured artists on the album are from the new wave of gangster rap, clearly inspired by Roc Marciano, Ghost and Raekwon, but also vets like yourself, Kool G Rap and more. Do they look up to you as a mentor, and someone who can help them navigate the industry?

I can mentor the new wave by being an example. They can look at my career and see the ups and downs and understand the game they working with. They can take the best parts, and utilize ‘em to their advantage. The mistakes, the trials and tribulations…learn from those as well, but don’t repeat them.

As an older head who has been listening to your music for a long, long time, I was always curious about the transition from Intelligent Hoodlum to Tragedy Khadafi. Do you look at them at two different personas, or just representative of where your life was each time?

The question is the answer. They’re both me at different stages of my life for who I was and going through at the time. There wouldn’t be one without the other.

Tragedy: Saga of a Hoodlum turned 25 years old in June, and Intelligent Hoodlum was 28 years ago. That’s serious longevity in this game. How do you feel about your place in rap history?

I don’t feel, I know my place is solidified. It’s carved and etched in stone. Whether it be mainstream acknowledgment, or the right kind of acknowledgment in terms of the true heads who uphold and understand this culture. I have stood the test, and have continued to push my craft forward…especially with a producer beside me like BP.

Do you think your passion for making music will ever fade? And does it ever feel like a grind rather than a creative process?

Sometimes it fells like both, and anyone who says otherwise is lying. But the combination gives me a lot of balance to my life. It’s worked for me thus far, I don’t feel I’ve lost my energy over the years, especially considering all the years that I’ve put in this. I look at some of my peers, and watched them fade into obscurity. I think knowing it’s a grind as well as a creative process and being able to balance the two, gives me that edge.

BP; Immortal Titans has an impressive list of features, including rhyme vets like Nature and Apathy, plus emcees making big noise on the indy circuit right now (Hus Kingpin, SmooVth). When its a collaborative album like this, who gets to select the features?

[BP] Features are always tricky. My philosophy has always been to let it happen organically. Nature and Ali Vegas are artists I work with consistently and have close relationships with. So those came together without thinking. I have listened to Apathy for awhile and he is someone who has a great deal of respect for Tragedy, so Menza from DCM knew Apathy and hooked it up. The Winners (SmooVth, Rozewood & Hus Kingpin) are all originally from Long Island. I met Hus down in Atlanta at AC3. SmooVth is someone who I’ve spoken with for over a year, and Rozewood is from Amityville like me. Again, Menza connected the dots here. My man DJ Stitches did all the scratches. Everything felt natural and every artist added their own flavor to the album.

There’s a lot of legacy that comes with producing for an artist like Tragedy. Considering he’s worked with Large Professor, Marley Marl and Prince Paul amongst others, did you feel any pressure?

The only pressure I ever feel is giving the emcee I’m working with the inspiration to make a great record. Music and art is subjective. What one person loves, another may hate. I just strive for making the artist feel the vibe. I’m influenced by those who came before me. Paul is from my hood. We from the same environment. Large Pro, Premier, RZA are all a part of my style. That is what we do on this journey of life, you pick up techniques, ideas, and new tastes from the people we come in contact with. All those producers are represented on here because they are a part of me. So I am never competing with anyone in music. I can only be the best I can be.

Did you go back and revisit his catalog, and was it hard not to be influenced too much by it?

There are producers that make beats totally different than me, whose style I love. That doesn’t mean that I’m going to make music with their vibe. I’m a huge Tragedy fan so I knew exactly what to bring to the table, and what I wanted to hear him on. The finished product in my opinion includes all the elements of what a perfect Tragedy record would sound like. It feels good to say Immortal Titans is exactly what I hoped for.

We always like to get an insight from producers on the gear they use. Can you describe your basic set-up and studio essentials?

The equipment is just the instrument I use to create my vision. Everything from my catalog has come form an MPC2000 or MPC2500 and Pro-Tools. I have never felt limited in any way with those two pieces. It’s never really been about the equipment to me, it’s the mind behind it. There’s some producers from my hood who every month would tell me about some other console, or equipment or plug-in they just got, and all the money they’ve spent, and I ain’t still hear a single beat from ‘em, not a one [laughs].

What can we expect next from you after Immortal Titans?

More of the same. I have an EP coming out the beginning of next year. It has nothing but legends on it. It’s the first in a series, but I’m not ready to reveal the name and concept. I guarantee my fans will dig it tho. I have an instrumental album beginning of 2019. There’s another secret project with Menza from DCM that I’m extremely excited about that will be announced soon. I know everything is vague but when the time is right the fans will know everything. Trust there is more BP music on the way. Stay tuned…

Apathy; what are some of your early memories coming up as a fan of Hip-Hop and listening to Tragedy Khadafi/Intelligent Hoodlum? Like which song (or songs) really stood out, and why?

[Apathy] My oldest memory was first seeing/hearing Black And Proud on Yo! MTV Raps. The beat was amazing, and it was important for me as a young white kid, to see such a dope, positive message. It was one of the songs that set the precedent for my respect and love for black culture. But in retrospect, my best memory is far more personal. In ‘93 I was living with my father, and Grand Groove came out. I had the video taped on a VHS Tape, and played it CONSTANTLY. My dad passed away in 2012… but when I hear that song, it pretty much brings me to tears, reminiscing about living at his house and being so attached to that song.

Being that you’re a longtime fan of Trag, how do you feel about finally having the chance to collaborate with him on today’s premiere for, Mastermind?

It’s surreal. This dude is such a dope, powerful lyricist. And when he hit me up to be on HIS shit… I was BEYOND gassed.

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Immortal Titans is out August 17. Pre-order from here now. Follow Tragedy and BP on Twitter, and on Instagram here and here. Interview by Grown Up Rap Editor Ben Pedroche

Exclusive Premiere: Vanderslice – ‘Bone Museum’ feat. Vic Spencer + Interview

img_1099-1Today we’re premiering new music by Vanderslice, from the upcoming project, The Best Album Money Can Buy. Following on from the recent North American Money with Slug and Evidence, Bone Museum features brutal verses from the always-great Vic Spencer, over a sinister Vanderslice headnodder. Listen below, and keep scrolling to read our interview with the man himself.

Tell us about the new project, The Best Album Money Can Buy. There’s some heavy features on there. 

It took a few years to get together, I had no intention of doing a compilation. The feature game is stale and there are tiers. You can get the twitter guys who sell verses for 200 dollars, you can capitalize on people who run holiday sales, and what not. I just wasn’t interested in being a part of that musical miasma. It’s not organic, and at the end of the day if everyone can get access to something, it inherently loses value and becomes uncool. The Best Album Money Can Buy was done organically and that’s what separates it from the pack.

It has an interesting mix of guest emcees, from those doing great work right now, like Vic Spencer and Conway, to rhyme vets like Percee P. Who was the easiest and most fun to work with?

I reached out to Slug as I was going to do a small batch of 7” singles. Slug reached out to Evidence, we have a rapport at this point, we’ve done like 6 songs for various records and shit. They turned out North American Money, and then it was just on from there. They both showed me love when they really didn’t have to, and I couldn’t afford either one of em at that point. That was by far the best experience on the album, because from that song I realized that I had way more reach than I give myself credit for. It was the song that set the tone for the album.

Previous projects like Everything’s Awesome have alternated between tracks with vocals and straight instrumental joints. Is that a strategic decision, maybe because listeners can get bored of an album with no vocals?

That was a strategic decision, I like beat tapes, I like when the music takes you on a journey and all of the beats for Everything’s Awesome were made and chosen before we ever got any raps done. We had the Winning Team record with AWAR and he used a lot of the Everything’s Awesome Beats, AOTP used Broken Safeties, my man Maffew Ragazino rhymed on a few of ’em as well. We didn’t want to wait for those songs to come out, and we didn’t want to drop a straight instrumental tape, so we filled the gaps.

How do you decide which emcees you want to work with? Is there a wish list, or does it inevitably come down to schedules, availability and budget?

There’s a wish list. I crossed off all five of my top five rappers in 2017 into 2018. Prodigy, Ghostface, Percee P, Styles P, & Jadakiss all rapped on my beats.

Going back to instrumentals for a minute; I’m always keen to know if producers such as yourself see beat tape material as a way of showcasing your beats for sale, or as standalone works that don’t necessarily need vocals. There’s definitely a difference. How do you see it? 

I try and find a theme to follow. If you’re familiar with my releases we did a tape called Smuggle Rap. It was all rock & synth stuff and laced with 1980’s drug culture references, we’ve done two gospel tapes, and I don’t even like freelancing beats to be honest. If you got cash in hand we’ll work with you, but there’s no pool of beats to choose from, there’s no leases, or any of that bullshit.  I’m more in line with selling music not selling beats. I’d rather be an artist than a hustler. Producers are wack man leasing beats and selling meet & greets like they’re fuckin Quincy Jones out here. Don’t ever let someone sell you the dream.

Another thing I always like to ask producers about is their studio gear. Describe your basic set up. 

I use the MPCx and a prime selection of records. My man Steez plays keys, bass, and guitar. I pluck the samples, lay the drums, and do a mock up of the bass, or at least provide the vision and Steez bangs out the layers to give everything the necessary textures.

Now that The Best Album Money Can Buy is done and about to drop, what’s next after that?

We have a lot of beats on AWAR’s Spoils of War. We did the songs with Scarface, Anthony Hamilton, Cormega, Styles P & Jadakiss so we’re excited for that. We have a 7” ep called the Trendsetter which features Ty Farris, Vic Spencer, G Perico, Daniel Son, and my man Capo. We produced an ep for my longtime friend Verbal Tec which is a completely different lane. It’s much more soulful and he’s a black nationalist but I’m super proud of that shit, it took like 9 years to make. We also produced a project with Diabolic coming out on Coalmine Records. All of these are done too they’re in the tank so we’re gonna be busy.

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The Best Album Money Can Buy is out July 12, and you can get it here. Follow Vanderslice and Vic Spencer on Twiter. Interview by Grown Up Rap Editor Ben Pedroche