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25 Years of Fat Beats: DJ Eclipse Interview

The iconic Fat Beats is currently celebrating 25 years in the hip-hop industry. As a retail outlet, label and distributor, the company has supported some of the finest independent music over the last quarter of a century, helping many of rap music’s biggest artists along the way. In the first of our series of features marking this epic milestone we speak to DJ Eclipse, who has worked for and been associated with Fat Beats since the beginning, ahead of this weekend’s Fat Beats 25 Anniversary show in Los Angeles.

It seems like everyone came through the doors of Fat Beats at some point in their career, from ‘90s veterans and indy rap icons all the way to Eminem and Kanye West. Give us some of your personal highlights from the in-store appearances and freestyle sessions you were there for?

One thing you have to understand about our scene is that maaaaaaaad people were nice! Obviously some better than others, but on a whole there were so many talented people that came through Fat Beats or just the indie movement that was happening in NYC in the ‘90s. Nine times out of ten who “made it” was less based on the individual’s talent and more based on the break they caught. If you would have asked me if I thought Kanye would have become as big as he is now based on his Fat Beats appearance I would have said my money is on Al Tariq or Black Attack (who Ye came with). There were too many people that were dope during that era.

Some of the best sessions at the store were when fellow emcees came to hang out with people that worked there (like ILL BILL or Q-Unique). At any given time a cipher might start up with Bill, Q, El-P, Last Emperor, A.L. Skills, Breeze Brewin, etc. A lot of the Rawkus’ artists had great in-stores like Shabaam, Kweli and L-Fudge. Other dope ones were KRS-One (who basically gave an on-the-spot lecture to the crowd for the whole time he was there), RZA, Psycho Realm, Mix Master Mike & Non Phixion, Immortal Technique…..but the biggest in-stores we ever had were Gang Starr (twice) and Eminem. Lines for them were down the block and around the corner.

Being part of a place that gave so many talented artists a platform, is there a particular emcee who blew up thanks to Fat Beats that you are most proud of?

“Blew Up” is a hard word to use because although most probably didn’t reach Eminem’s status many have made careers out of music. And I don’t think Fat Beats can take any credit solely for anyone’s success, but Fat Beats definitely played a part in helping artists like El-P, A-Trak, Black Milk, Dave One (Chromeo) and ILL BILL just to name a few. But more importantly than even helping one person was the field that we created for everyone to play on. During that time everyone was still itching to get a major label deal. We started stepping to artists and telling them stop waiting to get signed. Let’s press up your record and distribute it. The profit splits for artists automatically became a whole lot better. We weren’t trying to own the music. That stayed with the artist. We turned all this energy into a movement and with the help of the artists and people like Stretch & Bobbito who were playing the music it took off.

On the flipside of that, are their any emcees or producers stocked at Fat Beats that you were surprised didn’t blow up?

Definitely felt like Last Emperor and Natural Elements should have gone further. They were and ARE so dope, and at that time they had a lot of people checking for them. Emp got signed to Aftermath and we were all rooting for him. But once Dre picked up Eminem I think Em became Dre’s focus and other signees were left on the shelf. NE went to Tommy Boy who were trying their hand at picking up indie artists, but just like Emp, NE’s album got shelved for whatever reason. But like I said, it’s not always the most talented that move forward. Sometimes the universe has it’s own plans.

Music aside, Fat Beats definitely appealed to rap heads on an aesthetic level. The shop was basically everything you picture an independent hip-hop record store should look like: racks of 12”s, walls covered with signed record sleeves, posters and flyers, music pounding over the system, and staff who really know their shit. Were you guys conscious from early on that people would see it as way more than just a record shop, and as such was it something you tried hard to capture?

Well the vision Joe had from the start was to build a home for Hip-Hop heads to come shop. As far as how it all came together I think that was more organic and just part of our own personal makeup. We were all DJs or MCs or B-Boys. We all collected stickers, posters, vinyl, etc so when you walked into a Fat Beats store you were literally seeing our stash on the walls (in the beginning). And as the store started getting more of that stuff more went up on the walls and ceiling. The first Fat Beats location was basically like a DJs bedroom set up. Except there was vinyl for sale on the walls. And the floors. And anywhere else we needed to stock it to fit.

One Fat Beats story I’ve always loved is the ones about Percee P, there on the sidewalk selling tapes outside of the store. It was dope how that situation ended up giving his career a second wind. I’m curious about how you guys felt about his consistent presence right outside the store?

I love Percee, but never liked him or anyone else selling music in front of the store. I’d always tell all of them go down the block to the corner or even just move to the sidewalk by the curb. Standing directly in front of our door turned so many people away from coming into Fat Beats towards the end. It wasn’t just a digital revolution that killed Fat Beats it was the numerous “artists” that basically harassed people coming in and out of the store to get them to buy something from them. I had people tell me that they would cross the street to walk past Fat Beats if headed in that direction just to not be bothered by them.

It feels as though Fat Beats caught a moment in time that we’ll probably never see again. Downloading and streaming happened and record shops died. There’s a resurgence for sure, but pop-up shops and a lot of these new stores seem too clinical and gentrified, and the even the records are often just overpriced re-issues. Do you think we’ll ever see something like the original Fat Beats again?

Nah, that era is gone. The brand lives on to deliver the goods to the people via fatbeats.com and Fat Beats Distribution, but the era of physically going out to a store and hanging out and networking is a lost pastime. You have to remember we were in our 20s then. This was pre-internet. You HAD to do all this stuff. You had to go to a store to buy music. You had to go to an event to see/hear the music you were into. You had to go see your friends to catch up with them. Our generation is too old now to have the free time (or money) to do the things we did then and the younger generation is coming up with access to everything at their fingertips so they don’t have the need or want for that same experience we lived.

Lastly, tell us your top five 12”s that Fat Beats have distributed over the last 25 years.

Big L – “Ebonics”
Missin’ Linx – “M.I.A.”
Mos Def – “Universal Magnetic”
D.I.T.C. – “Day One”
Bumpy Knuckles – “A Part Of My Life”

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The Los Angeles Fat Beats 25th Anniversary show takes place this Saturday (August 10) at The Regent Theater, featuring Dilated Peoples, Elzhi, Tha Alkaholiks, Blu & Exile, J. Rocc and many more. Get tickets and find out more here. Follow DJ Eclipse and Fat Beats on Twitter here and here, and Instagram here and here. Interview by Grown Up Rap Editor Ben Pedroche.

Interview: DJ Rhettmatic

One of the most respected DJs and producers in hip-hop, Rhettmatic has been a fixture of the L.A. scene for decades through his solo work, as part of the Visionaries collective and as a member of the Beat Junkies. He recently talked to Matt Horowitz about projects new and old, production technique, touring with Dilla and more.

Following your 2011 collaborative mixtape/remix album/live EP, Bobo meets Rhettmatic, what’s next for your group, Cypress Junkies with Eric Bobo?

It’s been a hot minute since Bobo and myself have had a chance to work on new material.  The last joint production we did together was for Rakaa’s (of Dilated Peoples) solo album, Crown Of Thorns, called “Rosetta Stone Groove” featuring Noelle Scaggs of Fitz & The Tantrums. We also toured Europe a few years ago but Bobo has been really busy with Cypress Hill since their new album dropped and has been touring mad crazy. But we’ve been talking still about doing some new music and getting back on the road, doing some spot dates in the near future.

How did yourself and Bobo initially meet and decide to form Cypress Junkies?

I met Bobo along with B-Real in the late 90’s when I was one of the DJ’s spinning on their Soul Assassins Radio Show at a local radio station in LA called 92.3 The Beat. Babu & Melo-D were also the other Dj’s; we would do their mixes live in between guests and comedy skits. This is around the time of the Cypress Hill IV album days. If you don’t know the history of Bobo, he is the son of the legendary Latin percussionist, Willie Bobo. He also used to play for the Beastie Boys (he even had a song named after him, “Bobo On the Corner” on Ill Communication before he became the 4th official member of Cypress Hill), as well as doing production for Psycho Realm. Anyways, he was working on a solo album called “Meeting Of The Minds” and he always wanted to do a DJ/percussionist song. We’d become friends already because of my stint on the Soul Assassins Radio Show, but I was honored he asked me. The song was called “Bobo Meets Rhettmatic”.  When we performed the song at his release party, we realized that we might have something here. Then we were asked to perform for a benefit show in Los Angeles, and ended up being the headliner. We restructured our show to be more of a live element with more emphasis on the synergy between a DJ and a percussionist, and as we performed, we were really surprised by the response we got. Hence, “Bobo Meets Rhettmatic” was born; which eventually changed to Cypress Junkies (Cypress Hill/Beat Junkies affiliation). It was a big honor with B-Real giving  us the official blessing.

I’ve heard rumblings a new Visionaries album is currently in the early stages of creation, correct? What can you potentially tell us about your upcoming return?

Yes, the Visionaries are working on a new album. It’s been 13 years since our last album “We Are The Ones”, which dropped in 2006. A lot of our core fans have been asking us to make a new album but everyone got busy with their own individuals lives and music careers. Both Dannu & Key-Kool have families, LMNO has a couple of solo projects out along with having a new baby, as well as 2Mex & Zen having their own projects out. Plus 2Mex had his own health situation that he needed to take care of; he had one of his leg amputated because of diabetes a few years ago. Now he’s still moving forward with full force and living life. Me personally, I got really pretty busy with the Beat Junkies. The Visionaries have done shows here and there but we never really worked on a new group album just because whether we realized it or not, we needed a break as a group (or at least for me personally), even though we’re family.

As for the new album, we are tentatively calling it “Vintage”, as a return to our roots of just making music for fun and not overthinking things. The difference between this particular album and our other albums; I will be doing all of the production, where it used to be Key-Kool and myself being the chief producers and having our regular family of producers such as J.Rocc and Babu, to name a few. I like to think in the last 5-10 years that I’ve grown and improved as a producer compared to my past production. The guys always wanted to make a new album, but for me personally, I wasn’t really ready just because I was burnt out and wanted to expand more as a DJ, an artist, a producer, as well as a person. So to be transparent, the guys were really waiting on me to work on new material. Besides me growing as a human being, a DJ and a producer, a lot of family, friends, and even our heroes were passing away as well as dealing with our own situations separately. We were all getting older. In 2017/2018 is when we started working on new material and just learned how to record as a group again with no expectations, and have fun making music together. We’re almost finished….hopefully it will drop by the fall/winter of 2019, God willing. If not, at least some new music this year to set up the new album for the top of 2020.

In adittion to Cypress Junkies, Visionaries & Beat Junkies, you’re also, part of The Joint Chiefs with Frank Nitt (Frank n Dank.) What’s the current status of this project?

Frank is my brother! I met Frank n Dank at the Jaylib “McNasty Filth” video shoot. We’ve became real good friends during the time since I DJ’ed for Dilla in Europe for his last tour ever. It was really fun when we made the Joint Chiefs album; basically Frank just crashed at my crib for a whole week just to work on music. Each day, I would work on beats in one room while he was playing Nintendo in the other room, then when I finished with a beat, I would show it to him, he’d start writing then we would record. After the session, we would get “enhanced” while listening to the finished product, then go out to the clubs just to take a break, then we would repeat again the next day. We basically would record two songs a day. We’ve talked about doing a follow up but we both are busy with our own schedules. The last joint we did together is a song called “Classic” that I produced for his solo album Frankie Rothstein on Delicious Vinyl in 2015. Besides his own solo projects as well as the Yancey Boys and Frank n Dank albums, he’s currently in charge of the California chapter of the James Dewitt Yancey Foundation as well as still being an artist on Delicious Vinyl. We’ll definitely going to work on new music soon in the near future.

Loops, Chops, Beats & Vibes (VOL. 2) was recently released in honor of your 50th birthday. What’s the significance of said release to you?

I’ve been releasing music for free on my Birthday (May 10th), whether an album or a mix, for the last 10 years as a way of saying thank you to everyone that has been following my DJ/producer career, and just as a way to promote my catalog and progress as an artist/DJ/producer. With Loops, Chops, Beats, & Vibes Vol. 2, I wanted to a little something different when I dropped this on my birthday this year. I wanted to actually treat it like an official album versus giving something away for free, so I actually sold the album instead and made an official music video for the project. I made a video to the joint called “West Coast Vibrations (An Ode To Souls)”, which is a flip of the original sample that was used on Souls Of Mischief’s 93 Til Infinity, hence the tribute to Souls Of Mischief. I even wanted to shoot the video in the same vibe or essence of 93 Til Infinity, except highlighting Los Angeles and some of the cities that make up Los Angeles County. The video was shot and edited by Dj Underkut of Open Format LA, and he did a great job! I was really surprised and honored by the response for both the album and the video – it really meant the world to me that people went out and supported this album. That was definitely a great birthday gift to me for turning 50, and it tells me that I’m still doing something right. So everyone that purchased this album, I truly thank you from the bottom of my heart!

How would you say your process, approach, sound, style, etc. for Loops, Chops, Beats, & Vibes Vol. 2 differs from that of 2018’s Loops, Chops, Beats, & Vibes Vol. 1?

The approach to Volume 2 in terms of how the production was done is a combination of how I made the beats on Volume 1, by doing a cut & paste style strictly using Pro Tools only and making beats on the Propellerhead Reason program like I did on my Rhett Got Beats album. When I made Volume 1, I originally wanted to challenge myself and go back to making beats on my MPC2000 but it wasn’t working; so when that wasn’t working, I tried to turn on my SP1200 machine, but that wasn’t working either. I didn’t want to make beats on Reason because that’s what I’m currently using right now, but I still wanted to challenge myself for the fuck of it. I decided to try make beats on Pro Tools by doing a lot of cut, paste, and layering. I went digging for records for a good month and just basically pick any record from the stash I bought, record it on Pro Tools and just basically start chopping away. It was more tedious but I had a lot of fun doing it.  With Volume 2, I wanted to continue the tradition, but I also have been making beats on Reason that I really liked and I didn’t want to put them to the side; plus I was also on a time constraint. So I decided to put some of my Reason beats that I liked a lot (plus the Nipsey Hussle tribute track that I made last to finish up the album), made a few tracks with the same Pro Tools procedure, and arranged them together so I can beat my personal deadline. I’m very proud of the end product, if I do say so myself! [laughs].

I know you were J Dilla’s touring DJ for a string of shows through Europe with Frank n Dank and Phat Kat; happen to have any particularly memorable stories from your time spent on the road with Dilla?

When Dilla was still alive and living in LA, I always told him if he ever needs scratches from me, I got him. And we actually talked about doing some work together. He always had love for the Junkies, especially for J.Rocc.  J.Rocc is the 3rd member of Jaylib so it makes sense that he was Dilla and Madlib’s DJ. Dilla had a real small circle of people that he would hang out  with and trust in LA; I was very lucky to be considered to be part of that circle in his last years. Originally Dilla asked J to go out with him on tour to Europe, but he couldn’t make it because he was scheduled to go out on the road already with Madlib. When I got the call from Dilla that he wanted me to go out on the road with him, Frank n Dank and Phat Kat, I said let’s go. I hit up J to thank him for recommending me for the job, but J said he didn’t even say anything to him – that was all Dilla’s idea. I was shocked and honored. Around this time as well, I knew he was sick, but I didn’t know to what extent until we met at the airport. To tell you the truth, the whole tour was memorable to me because Dilla personally asked me to be his tour DJ, plus I was able to bond with him, Mama Yancey aka Ma Dukes (Dilla’s Mother), Frank N Dank, Phat Kat, and Dave New York (Dilla brought him along as well). We all didn’t know this was going to be Dilla’s last tour ever, but I think he already knew and he wanted to do it for the fans regardless of his health. I also think that this was his way of saying this is our chance to work together….I will never forget this experience for the rest of my life. Thank you, Dilla!

What’s the current status of your long-time crew, The World Famous Beat Junkies or any of its affiliated entities?

The Beat Junkies are still going strong. We celebrated our 20 Year Anniversary in 2012 by doing shows in Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco as well as in Europe and Japan. We were really surprised how many fans, young and old were still excited to see us perform and how much people are still checking for us even though we never stopped.  Because of that, we decided to get serious in terms of building our own business by relaunching our merch such as shirts and hats, and launch the Beat Junkies Digital Record Pool (www.beatjunkies.com). From there, we were able to launch our very own radio station, Beat Junkie Radio in conjunction with Dash Radio, a free app that was designed and founded by Dj Skee (www.dashradio.com/beatjunkieradio). I actually have my own radio show on the station called “Soundcheck” that airs live every 2nd & 4th Tuesday. I’ve been lucky to have guests such as Diamond D, Agallah The Don, Blu & Exile, MED, Defari, as well as Dirty Diggs, Supreme Cerebral, & many more. When we celebrated our 25th Anniversary in 2017, we were figuring out what would be our next business venture. From there we started our own DJ school called the Beat Junkie Institute Of Sound in the City of Glendale, Ca. (www.beatjunkiesound.com). We’ve been open for 2 years now and the school has been slowly growing. If you asked us 5-10 years ago that we would have our own DJ school & become instructors, we would’ve looked at you crazy. In January 2018, we officially launched Beatjunkies.tv (www.beatjunkies.tv), our online DJ school, which is an extension of the Beat Junkie Institute Of Sound. Everything that we teach at our school, we also teach online; it’s for those who want to learn how to DJ from us, but either cannot make it to our school or live very far, or for those who want to learn at their own pace. We’re still working on other projects, either as a crew or as individuals, but by the grace of God, hopefully we can keep on going till the wheels fall off.

I’m personally a big fan of your 2016 release, Circa 2004: Blaccmatic with Aloe Blacc! Although, I’ve always been curious: how exactly did this collaboration come to be?

Thank you very much, that means a lot. As the title suggested, the Blaccmatic album was made in 2004. A lot of fans of Aloe Blacc, the singer, don’t know that he’s a talented MC as well, and is in a group called Emanon with producer extraordinaire Exile (Blu, Fashawn, King Choosey). Around this time, Aloe was branching out working on his own material while Exile was in the beginning stages of working with Blu. For myself, nobody knew me really as a producer except for my work with the Visionaries, and I wanted to expand and work with different artists. Aloe and myself talked about doing some work together and then finally he said “just give me a beat CD”. Then one day while I was working at Fat Beats LA, he stopped by and gave me a CD with “Aloe Blacc & Rhettmatic” written on top of it. When I got home to listen to it, I was blown away because he practically made a whole album of all the beats I gave him. One of the songs “Find A Way”, had someone singing, me not knowing that it was Aloe singing himself. When I asked him who was singing, he told me it was him….I was so blown away. Then right there, this was a star in the making. That particular song was supposed to be featured on his Stones Throw debut album Shine Through but didn’t make it, but it did make it on the B-Side of the “I’m Beautiful” 12″ single. On a side note: I also let my dear friend and producer extraordinaire Dj Khalil (Self Scientific, Aftermath) hear “Find A Way” and he immediately asked me who the artist was. He also bugged out when he found out who it was….”You mean, Aloe as in Aloe Blacc from Emanon?? I need to work with him!”. I was able to connect them both and then a couple of years later, they collaborated on a song you might’ve heard or seen on a Beats By Dre commercial called “I’m The Man”.

We never got to officially put the project out because eventually Aloe got signed to Stones Throw and I started working on the Visionaries’ We Are The Ones album. Over the years, we have talked about putting it out but then eventually, Aloe became the talented and respected singer that he is now. When I decided that I wanted to put it out, I asked Aloe permission first to see if he was down with the idea of releasing the project, he said yes, as long it was a free download. He still wanted people to hear our project. When I released the project in 2016, we had such a positive reaction. Fans of Aloe Blacc the MC were happy to hear an unreleased project with him spitting bars; fans of Aloe Blacc the soul singer, didn’t even know the history of Aloe as an emcee and were blown away. Really glad that people got to listen to this project and the positive feedback was the icing on the cake.

I know you’ve worked with everyone from Guilty Simpson to Ras Kass… but do you have any currently vaulted/unreleased collaborations you’re looking forward to the hip-hop-loving world hearing one day?

Who knows, that’s a good question. I do have some joints in the vault that I did with J-Ro of Tha Liks and Defari, K-Solo, an unreleased Key-Kool & Rhettmatic song & some other artists that I worked with in the early 2000’s that never came out officially. If my small core of fans really want to hear some old/unreleased material of mine, then I might put it out….or maybe redo it over. But I do know I have more work to do….

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Buy Rhettmatic’s music here. Follow him on Twitter and Instagram. Read our oral history of Key Kool & Rhettmatic’s Kozmonautz album from earlier this year.

Matt Horowitz has been a hip-hop fan ever since he first heard Wu-Tang Clan’s Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) back in the mid-90’s, which positively or negatively changed his life ever since, depending on who you ask. He single-handedly runs online music publication The Witzard, and has been fortunate enough to interview Eothen ‘Egon’ Alapatt, Guilty Simpson, Ice-T and Mr. X, Dan Ubick, Career Crooks’ Zilla Rocca & Small Professor, Cut Chemist, and J-Zone, amongst countless others. He enjoys writing about and listening to hip-hop, Punk/Hardcore, and Indie Rock on vinyl with his lovely wife, while drinking craft beer, red wine, or iced coffee. To paraphrase both Darko The Super and the Beastie Boys: “Already Dead fans, they want more of this… I’m a Witzard like my man Matt Horowitz!”. Follow Matt here.

Playlist: Best New Music – March 2019

Our March 2019 playlist includes new hip-hop from Madlib, Oh No, billy woods, Quelle Chris, DJ Muggs, Mach-Hommy, Self Jupiter, Moka Only, Freddie Gibbs, A.G., Ill Bill and many more.

Listen to the playlist below, and then go support the artists with a purchase from wherever you buy your music. Check us on Spotify for more curated playlists.